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I highlight your statement, because as Ben cautions us, you and many others would be willing to purchase "temporary safety" by giving up what appear to be some simple, safe to lose personal freedoms.I was a soldier for 25 years, Ranger, paratrooper. Nobody is more “in” on “liberty“ than me and I got the scars and a piece of metal in me to prove it. But I notice in Benjamin Franklin’s quote that he has the word “essential” right before liberty. This country gives us the freedom to decide what that word “essential“ means.
And therein lies the problem with America trying to fight this virus.
To be truly and totally successful, some measures that relinquish some personal freedoms are called for. Some might be even considered draconian. And while I am almost certain that they would be effective measures, those measures will simply never fly in America.
It is because of who we are. Our “national DNA” so to speak. Our fierce pride in the ability to exercise and maintain personal freedoms. Our independent nature, distrust of and non-dependence on big government. And our just general cantankerous nature towards authority in general. Our very strengths, the things which make us a unique and strong people....work against us in fighting the virus.
Contrast that with the more socialist countries of Europe with a FAR higher dependence on “government“ in general....or an authoritarian country like China and we simplify will never compare favorably in fighting something like this virus.....a virus which requires a relinquishing of “some” of those personal freedoms.
To me, wearing a mask in public, social distancing, getting any new vaccine, avoiding large gatherings, using a phone app, wiping things done and washing my hands...following guidelines and information from doctors and scientists do NOT violate MY definition of “essential freedoms”.
But in THIS country who’s to say MY view should be paramount?
As my wife continually advises me: “Nobody made you king!
it is what it is.....
Actually it just heightens the fear as testing positive is not the same as having the illness Covid 19.Also, it’s not really for his own safety, as it just notifies you if you may have already been exposed so you can help stop the exposure to others.
I see this as a way to help address a public health issue.
Man. That’s some amazing science. We’ve known about the virus since February and they did studies on it years before it’s existence.Something else to consider this fall, one study has shown that taking the flu vaccine INCREASES your risk of getting COVID.
Even Dr Oz was talking about this on TV today!
A recent military study shows military personnel evaluated who received the flu vaccine were at 36 percent higher odds of testing positive for coronavirus (pre-SARS CoV2) with varied benefit in pre…www.disabledveterans.org
Just because you're getting your butt kicked in the coronavirus thread in the Cafe, doesn't mean you should pollute this one with your pandemic ghoul fear mongering.Man. That’s some amazing science. We’ve known about the virus since February and they did studies on it years before it’s existence.
I would definitely believe we’ve missed tens of thousands of COVID deaths.WHO Estimates 1 in 10 already infection.
This is what some thoughtful people have been saying all along. The infection rate is much higher than the reported or confirmed cases. In this case the estimated actual cases would be roughly 20 times the reported or confirmed cases. This means the mortality and morbidity rates are also much lower than parroted day in and day out. This is consistent with early epidemiologists who gauged that by the time the NW had its blow up that probably 1-2 million had already been infected in the US. These experts were silenced for what ever reason. This should be seen as good news.
Not sure of your point. 10's of thousands? How does that compare with 700,000,000 unreported/undiagnosed cases? We've probably had 10's of thousands of COVID deaths reported where the infection was not the primary cause of death too. The take home is this IMO; The infection is running through the population much faster than reported and the morbidity rates are a fraction of what we've been told. This is good news.I would definitely believe we’ve missed tens of thousands of COVID deaths.
If you didn’t count the infection, you missed the death. So how would you be able to calculate the IFR? You can’t just add all the uncounted cases and ignore all the uncounted deaths. If anything, the estimated IFR should help inform you how many deaths were missed. You certainly don’t ignore all the missed deaths to calculate an artificially low IFR.Not sure of your point. 10's of thousands? How does that compare with 700,000,000 unreported/undiagnosed cases? We've probably had 10's of thousands of COVID deaths reported where the infection was not the primary cause of death too. The take home is this IMO; The infection is running through the population much faster than reported and the morbidity rates are a fraction of what we've been told. This is good news.