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[cm husker]

6 years is not enough? I am trying to think of a coach that is now currently winning conference championships that didnt in their first 6 years but are now? Can't think of 1. I can think of quite a few who figured it out within 6. I guess the magic number is 7 or 8 years for you? What resources and tools have we held back from Bo and his staff?

No, 6 years is not enough, considering all the circumstances.

I'll get back to you on your question... would have to look it up. Doubt Mac Brown or Beamer did... but need to check it.

I'm not saying NU has held Bo back... I'm saying Bo may just need some more time. People keep forgetting this is his first gig.

Again, how many coaches winning conf champs regularly started out as strong as Bo, particularly in a BCS conference?

 

[redarmy]

No, 6 years is not enough, considering all the circumstances.

I'll get back to you on your question... would have to look it up. Doubt Mac Brown or Beamer did... but need to check it.

I'm not saying NU has held Bo back... I'm saying Bo may just need some more time. People keep forgetting this is his first gig.

Again, how many coaches winning conf champs regularly started out as strong as Bo, particularly in a BCS conference?

Don't bother we have been over this a million times. If Bo was still fielding a competitive team that was playing his opponents especially the upper tier ones as close as he was in 09 and 10 we wouldnt be having this conversation. Bo did get off to the great start mostly with Bill's players. The last 3 years his speciality (defense) has gotten worse every year to the point that we can't even slow down the mighty Golden Gopher offense. its just too powerful. too talented. Too fast and strong and explosive.

 

[redarmy]

. Doubt Mac Brown or Beamer did... but need to check it.

Mac Brown is more like Osborne in that in his first 6 years. He fielded solid teams but couldnt beat OU to win the conference. Again, during that time like Osborne, he was fielding teams and getting beat but yet he was competitive. Mack wasnt gettting destroyed by the other elite teams in the big 12. Pelini would have more slack from me if his teams were not setting records for blowout losses. Gotta compete.

 

[cm husker]

His first 6 years a head coach. Thought I was clear on that.

Here's his resume prior to Texas:

1983​	Appalachian St. (NC)	6​	5​	0​	0.54545​	212​	265​	-53​
1985​	Tulane (LA)	1​	10​	0​	0.09091​	166​	334​	-168​
1986​	Tulane (LA)	4​	7​	0​	0.36364​	265​	334​	-69​
1987​	Tulane (LA)	6​	6​	0​	0.50000​	370​	376​	-6​
1988​	North Carolina	1​	10​	0​	0.09091​	217​	391​	-174​
1989​	North Carolina	1​	10​	0​	0.09091​	138​	297​	-159​
1990​	North Carolina	6​	4​	1​	0.59091​	227​	186​	41​
1991​	North Carolina	7​	4​	0​	0.63636​	282​	199​	83​
1992​	North Carolina	9​	3​	0​	0.75000​	289​	233​	56​
1993​	North Carolina	10​	3​	0​	0.76923​	431​	253​	178​
1994​	North Carolina	8​	4​	0​	0.66667​	374​	267​	107​
1995​	North Carolina	7​	5​	0​	0.58333​	284​	220​	64​
1996​	North Carolina	10​	2​	0​	0.83333​	357​	123​	234​
1997​	North Carolina	10​	1​	0​	0.90909​	306​	143​	163​

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Focus in particular on his first 6 years or even his first 6 years at UNC.

 

[cm husker]

Don't bother we have been over this a million times. If Bo was still fielding a competitive team that was playing his opponents especially the upper tier ones as close as he was in 09 and 10 we wouldnt be having this conversation. Bo did get off to the great start mostly with Bill's players. The last 3 years his speciality (defense) has gotten worse every year to the point that we can't even slow down the mighty Golden Gopher offense. its just too powerful. too talented. Too fast and strong and explosive.

God, I'm tired of this old line of thinking.

 

[redarmy]

His first 6 years a head coach. Thought I was clear on that.

Here's his resume prior to Texas:

1983​	Appalachian St. (NC)	6​	5​	0​	0.54545​	212​	265​	-53​
1985​	Tulane (LA)	1​	10​	0​	0.09091​	166​	334​	-168​
1986​	Tulane (LA)	4​	7​	0​	0.36364​	265​	334​	-69​
1987​	Tulane (LA)	6​	6​	0​	0.50000​	370​	376​	-6​
1988​	North Carolina	1​	10​	0​	0.09091​	217​	391​	-174​
1989​	North Carolina	1​	10​	0​	0.09091​	138​	297​	-159​
1990​	North Carolina	6​	4​	1​	0.59091​	227​	186​	41​
1991​	North Carolina	7​	4​	0​	0.63636​	282​	199​	83​
1992​	North Carolina	9​	3​	0​	0.75000​	289​	233​	56​
1993​	North Carolina	10​	3​	0​	0.76923​	431​	253​	178​
1994​	North Carolina	8​	4​	0​	0.66667​	374​	267​	107​
1995​	North Carolina	7​	5​	0​	0.58333​	284​	220​	64​
1996​	North Carolina	10​	2​	0​	0.83333​	357​	123​	234​
1997​	North Carolina	10​	1​	0​	0.90909​	306​	143​	163​

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Focus in particular on his first 6 years or even his first 6 years at UNC.

Oh my goodness...I thought we were talking about the first 6 years at a program, we have a long, long time to wait if we are going to give Bo 14 years to win a Big 10 title. Yeah that will work. congrats you found a guy that didnt win a football title at a basketball school. fantastic.

Miles did, Urb did, tressel did, stoops did, Jimbo will this year, Saban did. Frank did, Pete did, and plenty of others did.

 

[redarmy]

God, I'm tired of this old line of thinking.

I bet you are. Please tell me, was the 09' team mostly Bills kids or Bo's? The truth is Bo's defense hasnt sniffed the success he had in 09. we are not in the same solar system when it come to defense. All Bills kids. No?

 

[cm husker]

Oh my goodness...I thought we were talking about the first 6 years at a program, we have a long, long time to wait if we are going to give Bo 14 years to win a Big 10 title. Yeah that will work.

Never said we need to wait 14 years (though we did once give a first time head coach 10 years, if I recall).

You just asked why I believe 6 years may not be enough time.

I would think that Bo's prime years, in terms of evaluating his abilities, would be between now and end of year 8.

All I'm saying is that we can't expect instant results... among the "elite" coaches in the last 10 or 15 years, about the only guy I can think of doing that is Stoops, and his teams had some rough years, too. There might be others, but they are not coming to mind.

6 years isn't that much time ... if a rookie HC is winning 70% of his games, I think he deserves at least 8 or so to prove he can't jump to winning 85% of his games.

 

[cm husker]

I bet you are. Please tell me, was the 09' team mostly Bills kids or Bo's?

I don't divide the players up based on who recruited them.

We saw what BC did with "his kids"... obviously the talent of the kids is secondary to how the coach utilizes it. So, the recruiter of said kids is immaterial to me.

 

[IBwrong]

Is cm actually Bo's agent, realizing that the his cut from Bo's new gig would take a substantial hit. He doesn't make a lateral move if he's terminated.

 

[redarmy]

I don't divide the players up based on who recruited them.

We saw what BC did with "his kids"... obviously the talent of the kids is secondary to how the coach utilizes it. So, the recruiter of said kids is immaterial to me.

it doesnt matter what you divide. All you have done is establish that Bo is better than Bill. You win. It doesnt change the fact that our defense has been really really bad the past 3 years. the best it ever was was with somebody elses recruits......

 

[cm husker]

Is cm actually Bo's agent, realizing that the his cut from Bo's new gig would take a substantial hit. He doesn't make a lateral move if he's terminated.

Just a fan of the program I grew up loving and thinking that we were successful because we did things differently (the whole "Nebraska Way" thing, terrible, I know).

As I said, if one single poster could present an attainable coaching candidate that is likely to improve on Bo's overall performance as HC of NU, I'm all for making a change.

As of this moment, I've seen a lot of wish lists and "potential up and comers" but nothing of any real substance in that department.

 

[redarmy]

Just a fan of the program I grew up loving and thinking that we were successful because we did things differently (the whole "Nebraska Way" thing, terrible, I know).

As I said, if one single poster could present an attainable coaching candidate that is likely to improve on Bo's overall performance as HC of NU, I'm all for making a change.

As of this moment, I've seen a lot of wish lists and "potential up and comers" but nothing of any real substance in that department.

why do I think this is a hollow promise? I will be the first to admit that I am not qualified to present an anntainable coaching canidate and neither are you. You are not all for making a change.

 

[IBwrong]

I'd settle for potential right now, Bo is in over his head, if you look at the DC hire he's proven he's not the man to be the decision maker. To keep him and let him reshuffle his staff seems dangerous. He needs solutions, but only wants yes men around him.

 

[cm husker]

why do I think this is a hollow promise? I will be the first to admit that I am not qualified to present an anntainable coaching canidate and neither are you. You are not all for making a change.

So... you feel qualified to assess that Bo should be fired, but you can't look around the CFB landscape and find a single candidate you think (a) would be an upgrade and (b) would be more likely than not to take the job if offered?