Why is that not shocking? Took you 3 years to believe Riley sucked. And now, you’re saying Frosts teams are better than Riley’s? They aren’t. It’s a chitshow.
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No, I believed Mike Riley was a bad coach a decade before NU ever hired him. I supported him because he was NU's coach. But I never, at any point, thought there was hope of them being good.
Yes, I believe that Frost's teams would beat Riley's more often than not.
Anyway, this is a silly discussion.
I have gotten to point that I feel we will find new ways to fail every game. I still watch and root and hope for the best but expect the worst
It’s really not, since Frost bad mouthed him repeatedly upon his hire. Now, with the way his own teams are playing, they are worse than Riley’s. He looks really stupid right now.
Yep. I watch and hope every Saturday. Not much else you can do.
Well I'm sure we'll hear about it a lot over the next year or two, or more.
I know it has already been mentioned, but if you buy what Urban is saying, issues of trust, a dysfunctional environment, and selfishness are at the root of most team problems.
Frost needs to do some serious soul searching and make some touch decisions regarding who is coaching and how they are coaching.
Frost needs to do some serious soul searching and make some touch decisions regarding who is coaching and how they are coaching.
Frost has an AD and department giving total support and working in unison. Riley had an AD micromanaging, interfering, and undercutting his ability to run his program as he saw fit. What's scary is this thought...give Riley Moos as AD and an athletic department working in unison and his teams would have ax murdered Frost's teams.
Our line seems like some of the players lack flexibility; almost like their too muscle bound. Not all but some of them and it only takes one or two to expose problems with an O line.
Is it possible to be in the weight room too much? Our guys were lifting all during the Covid lockdown while others were home. If we are emphasizing the wrong type of weight gain and strength conditioning did our "advantage" during Covid actually become a disadvantage? I have no idea, just spit balling.
I agree.I've been wrong about multiple things on here before. I remember telling people before the 2019 season that we would see a ton of 2 TE sets because we were inexperienced at WR and we had a lot of experience with Stoll and Allen/Rafdal. We proceed to barely do it and I look foolish. Fast forward to preseason 2020, I sit on HuskerMax proclaiming that with Austin as the run game coordinator and with the most starters returning on offense in the B1G, the most starts returning on the OL in the conference, a big downhill RB returning in Mills, and again needing to groom young WRs for the second year in a row, we would be running north/south on people all day long. Our OL has had 3 years with our strength staff and they know the scheme now.
To date, here are the guys listed as RB on the roster and their carries with yardage through five games:
Dedrick Mills 31 carries for 95 yards and 2 touchdowns
Marvin Scott 23 carries for 60 yards and 0 touchdowns
Rahmir Johnson 6 carries for 26 yards and 1 touchdown
Ronald Thompkins 5 carries for 24 yards and 0 touchdowns
I really have no idea what is going on, but to me this is the root of most our problems. I can sit here and talk penalties with you, special teams, but sticking with offense, if you are a play-caller, if you don't have a single RB over 100 yards after 5 games you are in serious trouble. Is it lack of a push and S/C? Is it lack of coaching/technique? Is it bad play calling? I don't know but we have to insert our QB as a +1 in the run game to get any sort of rushing yardage.
It seems crazy to type those things out when we quite literally at the beginning of the year could have started the exact same offensive line as we did in 2019 where Mills had success with over 5 ypc. One theme I would like to put to bed is "how young" our offensive line is, take a look with returning starts going against Ohio State:
Jaimes - 33
Wilson - 21
Jurgens - 12
Farniok - 28
Benhart - 0
TOTAL - 94
*feel free to add Hixson with 12 starts if you would like, but since he hasn't started this year I didn't want to skew the results
vs Ohio State, they only had 3 returning starters who compiled 54 returning starts
vs Northwestern they only had 3 returning starters who compiled 15 returning starts
vs Penn State they had 4 returning starters who compiled 78 returning starts
vs Illinois they had 3 returning starters who compiled 75 career starts
vs Iowa they had 3 returning starters who compiled 55 returning starts
I found this fascinating.... we had 106 starts returning that we could have used, so the "we were young on the offensive line" is a terrible excuse considering the fact that we didn't have to be young. Secondly, Illinois had one returning starter who switched over from DL in 2018 and then a new starter this year that moved to offense from defense. I understand people will say "but we ended up starting Piper" and again the counter would be that we still have 3 returning starters on the line, with returning starts still in the 70s. I also find it interesting that the team with more returning starters and the closest returning starts to us was the team we actually beat (Penn State) I also understand that Jurgens is new and that's where people would go too. But the long and short of it is we actually performed better in 2019 than we are in 2020 in the run game, and we quite literally could have every piece still here that we had in 2019. If we are young, if we are retuning less starters, if we are returning less starts, then it's based on a decision we made. We can't have the most veteran OL returning for the 2020 season then have our excuse be "but we are young."
But to summarize... what is going wrong? I still have no clue. Long thread to basically say I was wrong and have no idea where we have faltered and why we are worse now than we were last year. You literally have every single player back that started last year where we had much more success than this year.
But, the old saying, a good OL can make a bad qb/rb look good is true, only if that qb has more than one guy to throw to, or you have more than one injured rb.
It's no secret we seemed to have regressed at the OL, but I'll do you one better.
Look no further than the cheeseheads, where their O line was supposedly the bread n butter of cfb, they had one of only two rbs to gain 2000 in a season etc , yet their run game struggled at times.
I think gelling for an OL takes time, last two years, it was game five each year where we saw it coming together.
But I agree, said to myself and others, if we cant run, we lose against iowa.
Well, we didnt and we did.
Calling the plays, and calling the right number of plays, and even in the right situations arent so plug n play.
Listening to Vokolek today, he said theyd had a tough week of practice, and from a players perspective, that means they worked.
He said he saw progress, but this is what they need to bring each and every week, and they will then reach that next plateau of ability, which imo, they see it, play like theyre there sometimes, but simply cant maintain it, yet.
And not one person would have thought this 3 years ago. Not one.
As for coaching, we cant expect SF to come into seasons as if he'd worked out every or most situations.
He,s on a learning curve, where what he's doing is working most the time, but consistency just isnt there yet.
He hasnt learned to tweak the things that need tweaking.
We see it all the time,Hermans unstoppable, at Houston, then...texas.
Why does Saban just keep rolling in coaches from everywhere, head coaches who are willing to take underling jobs?
Because he is smart enough to know there's aspects in each of those coaches that havnt found those tweaks to make them as consistent as their once promising careers seemed, but are allowed to be overseen by Saban, to learn them, hone them.
We still have a young coach, he's telling us what we need to hear,not want to hear.
SF has said, he and the staff would have done things differently, now, lets let him tweak those things, then see what happens.
He,s on a learning curve, where what he's doing is working most the time, but consistency just isnt there yet.
He hasnt learned to tweak the things that need tweaking.
We see it all the time,Hermans unstoppable, at Houston, then...texas.
Why does Saban just keep rolling in coaches from everywhere, head coaches who are willing to take underling jobs?
Because he is smart enough to know there's aspects in each of those coaches that havnt found those tweaks to make them as consistent as their once promising careers seemed, but are allowed to be overseen by Saban, to learn them, hone them.
We still have a young coach, he's telling us what we need to hear,not want to hear.
SF has said, he and the staff would have done things differently, now, lets let him tweak those things, then see what happens.
We have all been wrong over that last 23 years. Who is to judge!I've been wrong about multiple things on here before. I remember telling people before the 2019 season that we would see a ton of 2 TE sets because we were inexperienced at WR and we had a lot of experience with Stoll and Allen/Rafdal. We proceed to barely do it and I look foolish. Fast forward to preseason 2020, I sit on HuskerMax proclaiming that with Austin as the run game coordinator and with the most starters returning on offense in the B1G, the most starts returning on the OL in the conference, a big downhill RB returning in Mills, and again needing to groom young WRs for the second year in a row, we would be running north/south on people all day long. Our OL has had 3 years with our strength staff and they know the scheme now.
To date, here are the guys listed as RB on the roster and their carries with yardage through five games:
Dedrick Mills 31 carries for 95 yards and 2 touchdowns
Marvin Scott 23 carries for 60 yards and 0 touchdowns
Rahmir Johnson 6 carries for 26 yards and 1 touchdown
Ronald Thompkins 5 carries for 24 yards and 0 touchdowns
I really have no idea what is going on, but to me this is the root of most our problems. I can sit here and talk penalties with you, special teams, but sticking with offense, if you are a play-caller, if you don't have a single RB over 100 yards after 5 games you are in serious trouble. Is it lack of a push and S/C? Is it lack of coaching/technique? Is it bad play calling? I don't know but we have to insert our QB as a +1 in the run game to get any sort of rushing yardage.
It seems crazy to type those things out when we quite literally at the beginning of the year could have started the exact same offensive line as we did in 2019 where Mills had success with over 5 ypc. One theme I would like to put to bed is "how young" our offensive line is, take a look with returning starts going against Ohio State:
Jaimes - 33
Wilson - 21
Jurgens - 12
Farniok - 28
Benhart - 0
TOTAL - 94
*feel free to add Hixson with 12 starts if you would like, but since he hasn't started this year I didn't want to skew the results
vs Ohio State, they only had 3 returning starters who compiled 54 returning starts
vs Northwestern they only had 3 returning starters who compiled 15 returning starts
vs Penn State they had 4 returning starters who compiled 78 returning starts
vs Illinois they had 3 returning starters who compiled 75 career starts
vs Iowa they had 3 returning starters who compiled 55 returning starts
I found this fascinating.... we had 106 starts returning that we could have used, so the "we were young on the offensive line" is a terrible excuse considering the fact that we didn't have to be young. Secondly, Illinois had one returning starter who switched over from DL in 2018 and then a new starter this year that moved to offense from defense. I understand people will say "but we ended up starting Piper" and again the counter would be that we still have 3 returning starters on the line, with returning starts still in the 70s. I also find it interesting that the team with more returning starters and the closest returning starts to us was the team we actually beat (Penn State) I also understand that Jurgens is new and that's where people would go too. But the long and short of it is we actually performed better in 2019 than we are in 2020 in the run game, and we quite literally could have every piece still here that we had in 2019. If we are young, if we are retuning less starters, if we are returning less starts, then it's based on a decision we made. We can't have the most veteran OL returning for the 2020 season then have our excuse be "but we are young."
But to summarize... what is going wrong? I still have no clue. Long thread to basically say I was wrong and have no idea where we have faltered and why we are worse now than we were last year. You literally have every single player back that started last year where we had much more success than this year.
Maybe the problem is that we are trying to run the Philadelphia Eagles offense. Subbing in QBs with no plan. Snaps over the QB's head. WRs taking forever to get into their routes. QB not seeing the occasional wide open receiver. And, of course, the O line cannot block anyone. The only thing working is the QB run. Looks just like the Husker offense.
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