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Leadership training?

Drozz

Recruit
5 Year Member
Leadership during a game like which I used Lauren Stivrins as an example is the point of the thread.
Ok, so during a game, tell me what Barry, Farniok, and Daniels are doing or saying that aren't "leadership" worthy? What are they doing during timeouts? What are they doing between plays? What are they doing on the sidelines when the other side of the ball are on the field? What are they saying on the way to the locker room....in the locker room? Barry can tell someone like Nelson all day what he needs to do in certain situations, but if Nelson doesn't understand, hesitates, takes a wrong step, misreads, then is Barry not a leader? Is Barry not a leader because he's not fast enough to cover someone? Is Farniok not a leader because hes just not good enough to be a RT, and isn't playing what most people feel would be his bet position?

You have ZERO idea. Throwfar60 made the best point of the thread - "you’re taking a limited amount of eyeball time to form an opinion."

Leadership ≠ execution. Leadership alone doesn't make 2AM hit open wide receivers. Leadership alone doesn't make the center quit snapping the ball over a QB's head. Leadership alone doesn't make a linebacker run faster. Leadership alone isn't going to make a kid who just isn't good enough, make a play. Some kids take longer to learn, some have mental lapses, some need more development, etc. It takes multiple things happening for kids to get better and teams to improve. Leadership is just one piece. Practice, repetitions, coaching, training, learning, executing. All of that needs to happen, and right now we have a little bit of each.
 

CrabHusker

Alienating everyone, one post at a time.
5 Year Member
That's probably right. That same behavior in a college freshman running back is different because he may still be finding out what it takes, maturing, etc. At the next level it's a deal breaker.
You also figure the cream of the crop make it to the next level and those characteristics are much more prevalent in the NFL. If you’re not a self starter and ready to do almost anything to win, you’re not going to stay for long.
 

Huskerhunter

Red Shirt
5 Year Member
Leadership is just one piece. Practice, repetitions, coaching, training, learning, executing. All of that needs to happen, and right now we have a little bit of each.
Good point. I think many of us on this board want to oversimplify and zero in our pet variable or variable of the week when it's a complicated multivariate problem. Add in talent and the unpredictability of youngsters!
 

Huskerhunter

Red Shirt
5 Year Member
You also figure the cream of the crop make it to the next level and those characteristics are much more prevalent in the NFL. If you’re not a self starter and ready to do almost anything to win, you’re not going to stay for long.
Right. Range restriction. It's like the correlation between height and performance in basketball at the NBA level. Looks like there isn't a relationship because save the outliers like Muggsy Bogues everyone is tall.
 

CrabHusker

Alienating everyone, one post at a time.
5 Year Member
Right. Range restriction. It's like the correlation between height and performance in basketball at the NBA level. Looks like there isn't a relationship because save the outliers like Muggsy Bogues everyone is tall.
Yep.

Mugsy could jump out of the gym though. Fun guy to watch.
 

CO4NU

Junior Varsity
5 Year Member
Ok, so during a game, tell me what Barry, Farniok, and Daniels are doing or saying that aren't "leadership" worthy? What are they doing during timeouts? What are they doing between plays? What are they doing on the sidelines when the other side of the ball are on the field? What are they saying on the way to the locker room....in the locker room? Barry can tell someone like Nelson all day what he needs to do in certain situations, but if Nelson doesn't understand, hesitates, takes a wrong step, misreads, then is Barry not a leader? Is Barry not a leader because he's not fast enough to cover someone? Is Farniok not a leader because hes just not good enough to be a RT, and isn't playing what most people feel would be his bet position?

You have ZERO idea. Throwfar60 made the best point of the thread - "you’re taking a limited amount of eyeball time to form an opinion."

Leadership ≠ execution. Leadership alone doesn't make 2AM hit open wide receivers. Leadership alone doesn't make the center quit snapping the ball over a QB's head. Leadership alone doesn't make a linebacker run faster. Leadership alone isn't going to make a kid who just isn't good enough, make a play. Some kids take longer to learn, some have mental lapses, some need more development, etc. It takes multiple things happening for kids to get better and teams to improve. Leadership is just one piece. Practice, repetitions, coaching, training, learning, executing. All of that needs to happen, and right now we have a little bit of each.
:thumbsup::thumbsup:

And a new world record for the number of times "leadership and/or leader" was used in 3 paragraph's !!!

LOL.....just having some fun
 
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