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Strength and Conditioning Discussion

Take a look at this article:

It talks about why Alabama hired the S&C program from Indiana.

https://www.stack.com/a/how-a-unique-speed-training-program-changed-indiana-football

Here is the money quote:

"Many folks believe the best way to get faster is to get stronger—that if you can lift more weight, you'll be able to put more force into the ground and propel yourself from A to B in less time. And since many regard the Barbell Back Squat as the "king" of lower-body exercises, pushing up your max there must be a surefire way to get faster.

Rhea's found it isn't quite that simple.

"The number I'm actually working off of now is 1.7 times your body weight. Once an athlete can squat 1.7 times their body weight, increases in squat strength beyond that are not contributing to speed," says Rhea."



Our program has looked a lot at getting stronger in the last few years and I wonder if there has been a shift away from the absolute highest squat as the measure to the utilization of varied exercises. This article is very informative about the idea of explosiveness vs. power, as well.


We absolutely needed to increase our strength and the squat is probably the best measure of overall lower body strength and power. Reading between the lines, it would appear that our S&C has made a bit of a shift to add some exercises that might shape how the body exhibits that power as explosively as possible. Those with real knowledge could probably support this claim.

Some of my guesses at this are based on what I have heard about what our athletes are doing while away from campus. A lot less is available to build the ultimate power from squatting/dead lifting/cleaning the heaviest weight one can. A lot is readily available to bring up the speed at which a player can carry out that powerful activity and has likely been a cornerstone of the at-home work outs our players have been doing during quarantine.

Probably with the mindset "Let's not try and get guys to focus on what will be very difficult for them to actually gain away from our weightroom. Let's focus on an area that they can make serious gains at, given the circumstances. At the very least, we will bring them back with as much or more explosiveness than they started and we'll work to add that overall strength back that we think we need once we can evaluate where they are."

Can I get a rebuttal/validation from someone who is doing more than reading between the lines?
I posted that article back in March on this site and was greeted with some negativity about how it was a way to put down our staff, which is why I hesitated to post anything in here. But since you seem to be of the same beliefs as me, I went ahead and posted anyway.

 

Alright, i'll get into it a little. I really struggle with these threads, because people call me out for "talking out of both sides of my mouth" anyway. And in the case of our S&C, they're probably right. I see some flaws with what we do, but the Cornhuskers are my team. So am I going to sit here and say that we are screwed and what we are doing isn't close to correct? I'm not going there, but I will bring up some things that have been brought to my attention and things I don't agree with. I want to preface this though, if you get 100 strength coaches in a room, you'll get 100 ideas on how to do things. There's really not a perfect way to do things yet.

I'll start with something we have a lot of success with.... putting on weight. HuskerPower is basically a body builders workout where you put on a ton of mass and do the circuit workout. It starts with the back squat to increase testosterone throughout the circuit to naturally get the body kicking out what it needs to grow its muscles. This is primarily what we have built our program around. It makes sense, because rarely are you getting the 310 pound offensive or defensive linemen that is FBS/Power5 ready. Alabama is, but we aren't. And if any of you were at the 2018 coaches clinic where our coaches spoke, this is where my first worry happened. "There's this new term 'functional' that people are using. If you coaches stayed with HuskerPower from the 90s, you didn't set your program back at all. That's still the gold standard." The older coaches in the audience nodded with approval as if they took a viagra pill. They knew Nebraska football had changed something, and they were able to then go back to what they knew. But for me and a few guys, it was tough to digest, because we were being told that HuskerPower was the first thing in the history of earth that got it right the very first time it was created.

But when you take a deeper dive, is putting on weight always good? I can't find the thread, but remember everyone in July 2019 posting the pic of Martinez at the road race and talking about his "gains"? We couldn't get over what it was going to be like having him run over people at his new size. I tried to insert myself to slow the talk down, but at the same time you don't want to extinguish positive thoughts and messages. But fast-forward to the 2019 season, and was our QB more explosive? Was he faster? And you saw it across the board with our linemen in space, or the regression of some linebackers. Which leads me the point of the game isn't the 90s and in a phone booth anymore, it's being spread out and speed/athleticism is key. So again, there's been some advancements.

Now you have your teams like Wisconsin, etc., but they still defensively need to be able to stop the spread. So let me tell you where I worry a bit with what we are doing, with where football is heading, and how McCaffrey trains that you asked about.

I've read the book that he models his training after, it quite literally states that you should get rid of squatting. Now, I wouldn't do that, squatting is pretty important for some things. But it's a fundamental difference between the #1 lift we focus on, and what sprinters/McCaffrey focus on. For the most part, McCaffrey doesn't squat except for an occasional 1/4 box squat, it's almost all hex bar deadlifts and unilateral TRAINING. (I put in bold for you to remember later). What his book states, is that bodybuilding is not about actual strength and rhythmic reflexes, it's not about muscles working together, it's actually about growing muscles as much as you can. You don't have to worry about them working well together, because bodybuilding is designed for you to look good standing for an hour on stage (or in my case tipping back beers on the beach).

So how does that relate to us? If you have imbalances, and are just creating muscle gain, you are widening the gap of those muscles working in synergy, which gives you injuries. I think injuries have been a huge issue for us these first two years.

But let's go back to the word I bolded, TRAINING. For the most part, you are either training or you are exercising. McCaffrey talks about 5 minutes rest in between his sets, not doing more than 5 reps in season. Nebraska goes 30 seconds between reps in their circuit workout, or 10 reps of 800 or 900 pounds on the bar. It crushes your CNS (bolded for later talk). McCaffrey and his trainer talk about how the workouts take longer, but they are less taxing and his body performs better on the field. He talks about how he made the classic mistake of overtraining, if he wasn't feeling dead after his workout he took that as someone outworking him. He found out when he crushed his body all week, he was slower when it mattered most. He was exercising, he wasn't training to be the best NFL RB he could. He has a comment of "this may come off wrong, but I was working too hard and it was having a negative impact on my performance." Here, we were celebrating "having puke buckets".



Those are just a few of the things I struggle with. We put too much weight on guys, wreck their CNS, and the high weight high rep squats at limited range of motion are creating unathletic players in the open field, IMO. I don't know what changed, and i've told this story before, but we went to a smaller college where a buddy had a cousin. One of his friends looked at a Nebraska DL and goes "what makes you guys just **** on everyone." The player looked at him and I am not lying, went down to touch his toes and his elbows almost hit the ground he was so flexible. We've lost a bit of that. We look stiff and unable to react in open spaces. I'll just go ahead and put this out there, I don't think you can combine HuskerPower with Oregon speed offenses. Oregon had a track coach getting their guys fast, we have an outwork your opponent get jacked strength coach. That wasn't a negative, i'm just saying how do you combine those two things? There's a place for both things in football, but I just don't know how you can reach your max potential if you try to do both things. One focuses on muscle gain, Oregon and now Alabama focus on speed training and getting guys as fast as possible. There's a reason Usain Bolt was the fastest to ever do it, but looks like he really doesn't lift at all.

I'm just going to go one more negative thing and i'm not trying to be a prick here, but it was brought up to me by someone that had played with our strength staff at a previous stop, and I spoke with them roughly a month ago. He knew I was a Nebraska guy and asked how I thought things were going. Told him what I say on here... "we will get where we want, Frost won't let us be mediocre long, but we definitely should have been to a bowl game last year. We underachieved." The guy shook his head but had had a few pops so he wasn't going to let it slide. "Ya, you're lucky you have Frost. I think 2019 was your strength coaches 8th losing season out of 10 tries." That was a crazy stat I had to fact-check. He went on to say "there's a reason he's only been recommended or hired by old Nebraska guys, a lot has changed since then. The teams you are losing to are getting their guys hired away to CFP teams. Indiana doesn't get better players than Nebraska. But they are trained better. Watch to see what Alabama does the next few years with those coaches."

I don't mean to go so negative there, but 8 losing seasons out of 10 is a crazy stat. Our biggest issue IMO is lack of athleticism. With Covid, guys were running hills and doing body weight or makeshift weight room workouts on their own, for the most part. I think that's going to be huge. You see some of these guys and they can't even turn to talk to you they've gotten so big. Guys like Ben Stille and Matt Farniok are plenty big, time to get them athletic and mobile which we have been doing the past few months. I think that is really going to help us in the long run. I just really struggle with how we've looked. How did Colorado with a strength staff and football coaches only there for 2 games beat us? We could have 95% of the players on Indiana and Purdue if we offer them a scholarship, but they beat us.

All of that said, we are going to get there. 7 wins for sure this year. I like what we are doing and our staff definitely took a look in the mirror after 2019. It didn't go the way the coaches or players wanted it to. And it wasn't from lack of effort.

EDIT: I see I forgot about 1/4 squat. Definitely some benefits. I would use it a couple weeks before combine or testing as it will artificially inflate some of your numbers and help you test better. But if you build a program around it, we go back to imbalances. Because it will certainly boost testosterone and build muscle, but all of the angles you are cutting out your muscles aren't being trained while missing it.

With this self reflection, this self analysis by the coaching staff; will the S&C staff see the light? By Frost’s own words he wanted them bigger and it seems that that has been the emphasis these last two years. So are they going to shift gears after they get the size they want (I would bet they are close to the size requirement they are looking for) And work on the speed component?
 
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Very interesting takes. Thanks for posting. I would tend to agree that moving heavier weight at slow speeds does not increase speed. I’d bet it decreases speed. I like the fact the Indiana coach (former) puts a number (1.7) on it, that is pretty cool. Directionally, I would definitely say he is a lot more correct than not. And btw, my opinion is worth about zero....give or take a few cents.
Best correlation imo for speed is the standing broad jump and/or box jump. Applying this a bit, I know guys that can squat a metric crap ton and they ain’t fast and they certainly are not setting records on a box jump or broad jump. Conversely, I see kids that can’t squat a ton, but they can box jump out of the gym....they are all fast. (Seemingly)
Certainly, core strength, hip mobility and probably other items dictate speed as well. That other little thing called genetics may have a role as well.
I’ll stop now or I’ll be competing with the SD ball coach for most words in a post. (I enjoy his posts, but I don’t want to be picked on the first day I decide to post)
Be curious to hear Coach Duval’s opinion on that. Anyway, can we get him to post on here to help out us curious fans? I’d pay the 20.00.

***’s take would be cool to hear as well. Actually, anyone’s take is interesting.
It can increase certain speed, but isn't going to help your max speed. The other thing is if you limit ROM and have heavy weight, your muscles are only good in the positions they've trained in. So what happens when you're in your 3 point stance and they are at a 90 degree angle? What happens when you're engaged with an opponent and your muscles get put in a spot they don't regularly get in while weight training?
With this self reflection, this self analysis by the coaching staff; will the S&C staff see the light? By Frost’s own words he wanted them bigger and it seems that that has been the emphasis these last two years. So are they going to shift gears after they get the size they want (I would bet they are close to the size requirement they are looking for) And work on the speed component?
I guess that’s tough to answer. How much is “big enough”? Why would we wait until year 3 to develop speed? Should we have done it year 2 with our QB and other guys?

It would be total speculation by me, but it would require a philosophy shift for us. And then if you do that what about the guys that still need more weight to put on?
 
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It can increase certain speed, but isn't going to help your max speed. The other thing is if you limit ROM and have heavy weight, your muscles are only good in the positions they've trained in. So what happens when you're in your 3 point stance and they are at a 90 degree angle? What happens when you're engaged with an opponent and your muscles get put in a spot they don't regularly get in while weight training? Us

I guess that’s tough to answer. How much is “big enough”? Why would we wait until year 3 to develop speed? Should we have done it year 2 with our QB and other guys?

It would be total speculation by me, but it would require a philosophy shift for us. And then if you do that what about the guys that still need more weight to put on?
All good questions I am not an expert In any way, shape or form but Isn’t it the goal to develop kids ..... put on the weight In their redshirt and redshirt freshmen year and then work on the speed when they reach their prescribed weight? In my mind we want to get to the point where we are reloading with physically mature kids instead of plugging and playing (players that are not physically mature), until we get to that point ..... thus the struggles of the past few years. (Conceding that weight and speed are not our only problems)
 
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All good questions I am not an expert In any way, shape or form but Isn’t it the goal to develop kids ..... put on the weight In their redshirt and redshirt freshmen year and then work on the speed when they reach their prescribed weight? In my mind we want to get to the point where we are reloading with physically mature kids instead of plugging and playing (players that are not physically mature), until we get to that point ..... thus the struggles of the past few years. (Conceding that weight and speed are not our only problems)
And let's not act like we haven't made a lot of guys better the past two years. I think if you ask some guys they are happy, then if you ask the guys that transferred out or we hospitalized they probably aren't (obviously).

I have a couple main issues. 1) S&C has came a long way since the 80s/90s and 2) as a strength coach more than anything you have to protect kids from themselves. And there's room for everything in the weight room (for the most part). We are just having a hard time quantifying ours. Remember all of the guys promoting the 800 pounds squats we were doing when ESPN would promote a guy doing 600-700 pound squats? Nebraska fans and players were all about letting people know, but people outside of Lincoln rolled their eyes. And quite honestly, it's tough to get kids to train like that anymore. However, if you go to a sprint based model where kids have tangible results they can say "ya, i'm getting better and not dying" on every workout, it breeds confidence (see Indiana vs Nebraska 2019).



 
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Alright, i'll get into it a little. I really struggle with these threads, because people call me out for "talking out of both sides of my mouth" anyway. And in the case of our S&C, they're probably right. I see some flaws with what we do, but the Cornhuskers are my team. So am I going to sit here and say that we are screwed and what we are doing isn't close to correct? I'm not going there, but I will bring up some things that have been brought to my attention and things I don't agree with. I want to preface this though, if you get 100 strength coaches in a room, you'll get 100 ideas on how to do things. There's really not a perfect way to do things yet.

I'll start with something we have a lot of success with.... putting on weight. HuskerPower is basically a body builders workout where you put on a ton of mass and do the circuit workout. It starts with the back squat to increase testosterone throughout the circuit to naturally get the body kicking out what it needs to grow its muscles. This is primarily what we have built our program around. It makes sense, because rarely are you getting the 310 pound offensive or defensive linemen that is FBS/Power5 ready. Alabama is, but we aren't. And if any of you were at the 2018 coaches clinic where our coaches spoke, this is where my first worry happened. "There's this new term 'functional' that people are using. If you coaches stayed with HuskerPower from the 90s, you didn't set your program back at all. That's still the gold standard." The older coaches in the audience nodded with approval as if they took a viagra pill. They knew Nebraska football had changed something, and they were able to then go back to what they knew. But for me and a few guys, it was tough to digest, because we were being told that HuskerPower was the first thing in the history of earth that got it right the very first time it was created.

But when you take a deeper dive, is putting on weight always good? I can't find the thread, but remember everyone in July 2019 posting the pic of Martinez at the road race and talking about his "gains"? We couldn't get over what it was going to be like having him run over people at his new size. I tried to insert myself to slow the talk down, but at the same time you don't want to extinguish positive thoughts and messages. But fast-forward to the 2019 season, and was our QB more explosive? Was he faster? And you saw it across the board with our linemen in space, or the regression of some linebackers. Which leads me the point of the game isn't the 90s and in a phone booth anymore, it's being spread out and speed/athleticism is key. So again, there's been some advancements.

Now you have your teams like Wisconsin, etc., but they still defensively need to be able to stop the spread. So let me tell you where I worry a bit with what we are doing, with where football is heading, and how McCaffrey trains that you asked about.

I've read the book that he models his training after, it quite literally states that you should get rid of squatting. Now, I wouldn't do that, squatting is pretty important for some things. But it's a fundamental difference between the #1 lift we focus on, and what sprinters/McCaffrey focus on. For the most part, McCaffrey doesn't squat except for an occasional 1/4 box squat, it's almost all hex bar deadlifts and unilateral TRAINING. (I put in bold for you to remember later). What his book states, is that bodybuilding is not about actual strength and rhythmic reflexes, it's not about muscles working together, it's actually about growing muscles as much as you can. You don't have to worry about them working well together, because bodybuilding is designed for you to look good standing for an hour on stage (or in my case tipping back beers on the beach).

So how does that relate to us? If you have imbalances, and are just creating muscle gain, you are widening the gap of those muscles working in synergy, which gives you injuries. I think injuries have been a huge issue for us these first two years.

But let's go back to the word I bolded, TRAINING. For the most part, you are either training or you are exercising. McCaffrey talks about 5 minutes rest in between his sets, not doing more than 5 reps in season. Nebraska goes 30 seconds between reps in their circuit workout, or 10 reps of 800 or 900 pounds on the bar. It crushes your CNS (bolded for later talk). McCaffrey and his trainer talk about how the workouts take longer, but they are less taxing and his body performs better on the field. He talks about how he made the classic mistake of overtraining, if he wasn't feeling dead after his workout he took that as someone outworking him. He found out when he crushed his body all week, he was slower when it mattered most. He was exercising, he wasn't training to be the best NFL RB he could. He has a comment of "this may come off wrong, but I was working too hard and it was having a negative impact on my performance." Here, we were celebrating "having puke buckets".



Those are just a few of the things I struggle with. We put too much weight on guys, wreck their CNS, and the high weight high rep squats at limited range of motion are creating unathletic players in the open field, IMO. I don't know what changed, and i've told this story before, but we went to a smaller college where a buddy had a cousin. One of his friends looked at a Nebraska DL and goes "what makes you guys just **** on everyone." The player looked at him and I am not lying, went down to touch his toes and his elbows almost hit the ground he was so flexible. We've lost a bit of that. We look stiff and unable to react in open spaces. I'll just go ahead and put this out there, I don't think you can combine HuskerPower with Oregon speed offenses. Oregon had a track coach getting their guys fast, we have an outwork your opponent get jacked strength coach. That wasn't a negative, i'm just saying how do you combine those two things? There's a place for both things in football, but I just don't know how you can reach your max potential if you try to do both things. One focuses on muscle gain, Oregon and now Alabama focus on speed training and getting guys as fast as possible. There's a reason Usain Bolt was the fastest to ever do it, but looks like he really doesn't lift at all.

I'm just going to go one more negative thing and i'm not trying to be a prick here, but it was brought up to me by someone that had played with our strength staff at a previous stop, and I spoke with them roughly a month ago. He knew I was a Nebraska guy and asked how I thought things were going. Told him what I say on here... "we will get where we want, Frost won't let us be mediocre long, but we definitely should have been to a bowl game last year. We underachieved." The guy shook his head but had had a few pops so he wasn't going to let it slide. "Ya, you're lucky you have Frost. I think 2019 was your strength coaches 8th losing season out of 10 tries." That was a crazy stat I had to fact-check. He went on to say "there's a reason he's only been recommended or hired by old Nebraska guys, a lot has changed since then. The teams you are losing to are getting their guys hired away to CFP teams. Indiana doesn't get better players than Nebraska. But they are trained better. Watch to see what Alabama does the next few years with those coaches."

I don't mean to go so negative there, but 8 losing seasons out of 10 is a crazy stat. Our biggest issue IMO is lack of athleticism. With Covid, guys were running hills and doing body weight or makeshift weight room workouts on their own, for the most part. I think that's going to be huge. You see some of these guys and they can't even turn to talk to you they've gotten so big. Guys like Ben Stille and Matt Farniok are plenty big, time to get them athletic and mobile which we have been doing the past few months. I think that is really going to help us in the long run. I just really struggle with how we've looked. How did Colorado with a strength staff and football coaches only there for 2 games beat us? We could have 95% of the players on Indiana and Purdue if we offer them a scholarship, but they beat us.

All of that said, we are going to get there. 7 wins for sure this year. I like what we are doing and our staff definitely took a look in the mirror after 2019. It didn't go the way the coaches or players wanted it to. And it wasn't from lack of effort.

EDIT: I see I forgot about 1/4 squat. Definitely some benefits. I would use it a couple weeks before combine or testing as it will artificially inflate some of your numbers and help you test better. But if you build a program around it, we go back to imbalances. Because it will certainly boost testosterone and build muscle, but all of the angles you are cutting out your muscles aren't being trained while missing it.

I appreciate your insight, and I'll preface this with a disclaimer that I have next to 0 specialized knowledge about anaerobic performance training.

Speaking from a bit that I know about the performance science for distance running, I'll say this for some context - before when training methods really started taking their queues from this type of data-driven sports science (70s & 80s), at the time, American runners were regularly among the best in the world.

Then the science shifted the focus to targeted training, allowing for more time for recovery (see: overtraining), and very data-driven approaches. And the impact was significant, but not in the expected way - instead, Americans fell off the face of the earth as far as producing world-class runners. Kenyans (and athletes from other African countries, especially the mountainous ones) started beating the crap out of us. And it wasn't that they were getting faster - the top American average times among marathoners started getting slower, while the African runners were staying similar to what they had been, or possibly improving very slightly.

They were doing it "old school" by going out and just running lots and lots of fast, hard miles, over and over and over again, without nearly the rest or specialized work as Americans typically did.

Now there's some newer data starting to show that this type of nearly non-stop work by the muscle has performance advantages that aren't achieved through the rest/recovery cycle. So it turned out the old-fashioned way was also scientifically ahead of its time.

Now maybe that's some type of biophysical gain, maybe it has more to do with creating mental toughness, maybe it's something else, but the human body is an infinitely complex thing, and the philosophies and methods tend to be cyclical, rather than a steady progression in one way or the other. I think the flexibility training you were getting at is also an important component, and hopefully Duval & Co are working a healthy dose of that into their program, but I also wouldn't be surprised if many of the core components of a method currently seen as outdated will be the wave of the future once sports science makes its next jump.
 
And let's not act like we haven't made a lot of guys better the past two years. I think if you ask some guys they are happy, then if you ask the guys that transferred out or we hospitalized they probably aren't (obviously).

I have a couple main issues. 1) S&C has came a long way since the 80s/90s and 2) as a strength coach more than anything you have to protect kids from themselves. And there's room for everything in the weight room (for the most part). We are just having a hard time quantifying ours. Remember all of the guys promoting the 800 pounds squats we were doing when ESPN would promote a guy doing 600-700 pound squats? Nebraska fans and players were all about letting people know, but people outside of Lincoln rolled their eyes. And quite honestly, it's tough to get kids to train like that anymore. However, if you go to a sprint based model where kids have tangible results they can say "ya, i'm getting better and not dying" on every workout, it breeds confidence (see Indiana vs Nebraska 2019).






I love this type of insight that only few can provide. Hopefully they make some adjustments to get some more speed and not look so stiff at times. I got real tired of WRs/TEs crossing the middle of the defense to have linebackers 3-4 yards behind them with no chance of catching up. Would you attribute that to more scheme/players/S&C? Also hope that Martinez is in a little better shape, I watched some 2018 film and he had a lot more wiggle that year it seemed like. I suppose injuries could have played a part. As we all know the more you lose the more things you start to look at and wonder how wrong are we actually doing things, when in reality as you've pointed out we are a handful of plays away from having 8-9 wins in 2019.

Need football and need to start winning right meow.

Also they should get some media into these voluntary workouts and give us some more stuff to dissect.
 
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IMO people get way too caught up in the 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 squat debate. These are variations of the squat that are used in every D1 weight room in the country and are built into different mesocycles of the teams annual in-season and off-season program.

***’s flexibility comment is a more accurate description of what’s going wrong than anything else.

Also as the old adage goes “you can’t teach speed”

The fact of the matter is, the big time programs recruit speed and athleticism first, because they know they can pack good weight on a player. Outside of our recent pull of skill position players, I haven’t been extremely happy with the overall athleticism of the players we’ve added recently.
 
I posted that article back in March on this site and was greeted with some negativity about how it was a way to put down our staff, which is why I hesitated to post anything in here. But since you seem to be of the same beliefs as me, I went ahead and posted anyway.

Wow, I asked for a *** response and got it!!! Nice. I didn't expect that much detail, but much appreciative. You are correct, we are probably in agreement on training. To qualify, I am no expert, not my job, but I am probably more versed than the average duck. I'll leave it at that. In summary, I suspect you are basically saying Power and Strength are only an advantage when speed increases as well. Increase power and strength while decreasing speed is a losing proposition in today's world of sport...regardless of which sport. Not saying power and strength are obsolete, just power and strength at the expense of speed is. Pretty good summary?

I don't have a lot of time yet to post anymore comments.. I will, but man....thanks, that was great, scary, interesting and about 5 other adjectives all wrapped in one. Appreciate it. Till later, apparently, I have to work some.
 



What I have learned in this thread is the fact we needed a couple seasons to get our players up to size and now we need a couple seasons to get them faster and more athletic. Back to the good old days when players didnt see the field much until about their 3rd year after they were developed properly
 
I appreciate your insight, and I'll preface this with a disclaimer that I have next to 0 specialized knowledge about anaerobic performance training.

Speaking from a bit that I know about the performance science for distance running, I'll say this for some context - before when training methods really started taking their queues from this type of data-driven sports science (70s & 80s), at the time, American runners were regularly among the best in the world.

Then the science shifted the focus to targeted training, allowing for more time for recovery (see: overtraining), and very data-driven approaches. And the impact was significant, but not in the expected way - instead, Americans fell off the face of the earth as far as producing world-class runners. Kenyans (and athletes from other African countries, especially the mountainous ones) started beating the crap out of us. And it wasn't that they were getting faster - the top American average times among marathoners started getting slower, while the African runners were staying similar to what they had been, or possibly improving very slightly.

They were doing it "old school" by going out and just running lots and lots of fast, hard miles, over and over and over again, without nearly the rest or specialized work as Americans typically did.

Now there's some newer data starting to show that this type of nearly non-stop work by the muscle has performance advantages that aren't achieved through the rest/recovery cycle. So it turned out the old-fashioned way was also scientifically ahead of its time.

Now maybe that's some type of biophysical gain, maybe it has more to do with creating mental toughness, maybe it's something else, but the human body is an infinitely complex thing, and the philosophies and methods tend to be cyclical, rather than a steady progression in one way or the other. I think the flexibility training you were getting at is also an important component, and hopefully Duval & Co are working a healthy dose of that into their program, but I also wouldn't be surprised if many of the core components of a method currently seen as outdated will be the wave of the future once sports science makes its next jump.
That's definitely some good insight. And definitely speaks to there are many different ways to train for things. But without the game being 32 quarters I have a tough time modeling what we do after the Kenyan distance runners. I know you were just giving an example but this one may actually go back to the exercising vs training thing. Their exercise is actually training them for their event.
 

Alright, i'll get into it a little. I really struggle with these threads, because people call me out for "talking out of both sides of my mouth" anyway. And in the case of our S&C, they're probably right. I see some flaws with what we do, but the Cornhuskers are my team. So am I going to sit here and say that we are screwed and what we are doing isn't close to correct? I'm not going there, but I will bring up some things that have been brought to my attention and things I don't agree with. I want to preface this though, if you get 100 strength coaches in a room, you'll get 100 ideas on how to do things. There's really not a perfect way to do things yet.

I'll start with something we have a lot of success with.... putting on weight. HuskerPower is basically a body builders workout where you put on a ton of mass and do the circuit workout. It starts with the back squat to increase testosterone throughout the circuit to naturally get the body kicking out what it needs to grow its muscles. This is primarily what we have built our program around. It makes sense, because rarely are you getting the 310 pound offensive or defensive linemen that is FBS/Power5 ready. Alabama is, but we aren't. And if any of you were at the 2018 coaches clinic where our coaches spoke, this is where my first worry happened. "There's this new term 'functional' that people are using. If you coaches stayed with HuskerPower from the 90s, you didn't set your program back at all. That's still the gold standard." The older coaches in the audience nodded with approval as if they took a viagra pill. They knew Nebraska football had changed something, and they were able to then go back to what they knew. But for me and a few guys, it was tough to digest, because we were being told that HuskerPower was the first thing in the history of earth that got it right the very first time it was created.

But when you take a deeper dive, is putting on weight always good? I can't find the thread, but remember everyone in July 2019 posting the pic of Martinez at the road race and talking about his "gains"? We couldn't get over what it was going to be like having him run over people at his new size. I tried to insert myself to slow the talk down, but at the same time you don't want to extinguish positive thoughts and messages. But fast-forward to the 2019 season, and was our QB more explosive? Was he faster? And you saw it across the board with our linemen in space, or the regression of some linebackers. Which leads me the point of the game isn't the 90s and in a phone booth anymore, it's being spread out and speed/athleticism is key. So again, there's been some advancements.

Now you have your teams like Wisconsin, etc., but they still defensively need to be able to stop the spread. So let me tell you where I worry a bit with what we are doing, with where football is heading, and how McCaffrey trains that you asked about.

I've read the book that he models his training after, it quite literally states that you should get rid of squatting. Now, I wouldn't do that, squatting is pretty important for some things. But it's a fundamental difference between the #1 lift we focus on, and what sprinters/McCaffrey focus on. For the most part, McCaffrey doesn't squat except for an occasional 1/4 box squat, it's almost all hex bar deadlifts and unilateral TRAINING. (I put in bold for you to remember later). What his book states, is that bodybuilding is not about actual strength and rhythmic reflexes, it's not about muscles working together, it's actually about growing muscles as much as you can. You don't have to worry about them working well together, because bodybuilding is designed for you to look good standing for an hour on stage (or in my case tipping back beers on the beach).

So how does that relate to us? If you have imbalances, and are just creating muscle gain, you are widening the gap of those muscles working in synergy, which gives you injuries. I think injuries have been a huge issue for us these first two years.

But let's go back to the word I bolded, TRAINING. For the most part, you are either training or you are exercising. McCaffrey talks about 5 minutes rest in between his sets, not doing more than 5 reps in season. Nebraska goes 30 seconds between reps in their circuit workout, or 10 reps of 800 or 900 pounds on the bar. It crushes your CNS (bolded for later talk). McCaffrey and his trainer talk about how the workouts take longer, but they are less taxing and his body performs better on the field. He talks about how he made the classic mistake of overtraining, if he wasn't feeling dead after his workout he took that as someone outworking him. He found out when he crushed his body all week, he was slower when it mattered most. He was exercising, he wasn't training to be the best NFL RB he could. He has a comment of "this may come off wrong, but I was working too hard and it was having a negative impact on my performance." Here, we were celebrating "having puke buckets".



Those are just a few of the things I struggle with. We put too much weight on guys, wreck their CNS, and the high weight high rep squats at limited range of motion are creating unathletic players in the open field, IMO. I don't know what changed, and i've told this story before, but we went to a smaller college where a buddy had a cousin. One of his friends looked at a Nebraska DL and goes "what makes you guys just **** on everyone." The player looked at him and I am not lying, went down to touch his toes and his elbows almost hit the ground he was so flexible. We've lost a bit of that. We look stiff and unable to react in open spaces. I'll just go ahead and put this out there, I don't think you can combine HuskerPower with Oregon speed offenses. Oregon had a track coach getting their guys fast, we have an outwork your opponent get jacked strength coach. That wasn't a negative, i'm just saying how do you combine those two things? There's a place for both things in football, but I just don't know how you can reach your max potential if you try to do both things. One focuses on muscle gain, Oregon and now Alabama focus on speed training and getting guys as fast as possible. There's a reason Usain Bolt was the fastest to ever do it, but looks like he really doesn't lift at all.

I'm just going to go one more negative thing and i'm not trying to be a prick here, but it was brought up to me by someone that had played with our strength staff at a previous stop, and I spoke with them roughly a month ago. He knew I was a Nebraska guy and asked how I thought things were going. Told him what I say on here... "we will get where we want, Frost won't let us be mediocre long, but we definitely should have been to a bowl game last year. We underachieved." The guy shook his head but had had a few pops so he wasn't going to let it slide. "Ya, you're lucky you have Frost. I think 2019 was your strength coaches 8th losing season out of 10 tries." That was a crazy stat I had to fact-check. He went on to say "there's a reason he's only been recommended or hired by old Nebraska guys, a lot has changed since then. The teams you are losing to are getting their guys hired away to CFP teams. Indiana doesn't get better players than Nebraska. But they are trained better. Watch to see what Alabama does the next few years with those coaches."

I don't mean to go so negative there, but 8 losing seasons out of 10 is a crazy stat. Our biggest issue IMO is lack of athleticism. With Covid, guys were running hills and doing body weight or makeshift weight room workouts on their own, for the most part. I think that's going to be huge. You see some of these guys and they can't even turn to talk to you they've gotten so big. Guys like Ben Stille and Matt Farniok are plenty big, time to get them athletic and mobile which we have been doing the past few months. I think that is really going to help us in the long run. I just really struggle with how we've looked. How did Colorado with a strength staff and football coaches only there for 2 games beat us? We could have 95% of the players on Indiana and Purdue if we offer them a scholarship, but they beat us.

All of that said, we are going to get there. 7 wins for sure this year. I like what we are doing and our staff definitely took a look in the mirror after 2019. It didn't go the way the coaches or players wanted it to. And it wasn't from lack of effort.

EDIT: I see I forgot about 1/4 squat. Definitely some benefits. I would use it a couple weeks before combine or testing as it will artificially inflate some of your numbers and help you test better. But if you build a program around it, we go back to imbalances. Because it will certainly boost testosterone and build muscle, but all of the angles you are cutting out your muscles aren't being trained while missing it.

Yeah, have read up quite a bit on hex bar deadlifts ( deadlift bar), and how it has a more direct correlation to 40 times than other exercises. With the added benefit of its relative saftey, and ease of learning. Due to my age and past injuries and looking for effective safe exercises, I bought and donated one to my YMCA. Have used it religiously as an adjunct to my rowing training and the results have been pretty good. My power and times on the rower improved and got my hex bar deadlift up to 461, 8 plates + 2 25s, plus bar, all without injury! Think the explosive rowing also helped my deadlifting...synergistic.
Anyway, hex deadlifts is relatively safe, doesnt require spotters, and is effective according to the studies. But the Squat is fully ingrained in training history, and rightly so. But it is more prone to bad form and injuries. Does Duval use the hex dead at all?
 
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