The defense is good... not great or elite. 21 points allowed to Illinois, 28 to Minnesota, 32 to Michigan were not great performances. They have been very good in the other games.
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Orgeron's firing.......
- Thread starter dparks
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Ranked 27th in scoring defense.
Ya know, I thought Riley was the worst hire of the post Osborne era but now Im not so sure.
Riley would be a bad hire anywhere. Even if Frost ends up not working out, I’d still have taken him in 2015 over Riley. There was no hope with Riley. At least with Frost, there was at least some upside potential there worth the gamble.
Nebraska has everything you could ask for to succeed. If there were 15 million people in Nebraska, it would be a top 5 job. You won’t find more passionate fans, better support, anywhere.
NOTE: You must be willing to travel, a lot. This is the only drawback. This is why it’s probably falls to 20 or so.
Incorrect:
"Orgeron has a 49-17 record at the school, but the downturn didn't only come on the field. The football program has also been involved in several off-field problems involving sexual misconduct and Title IX issues, and Orgeron himself was named in at least one Title IX lawsuit."
The Athletic".
Didn't read the whole thread, but just responding to the OP: The issues with Frost's NU go way deeper simply than a change in culture or toughness. Yeah, no doubt the culture under Riley sucked and was likely still toxic from the Pelini exit. But even with the proper culture in place, Frost's play calling has been questionable since day one and it largely cost us the Minnesota game Saturday. Player recruiting and development are also sadly lacking in year 4.
Frost can flip the culture, but if he is going to continue to have a four-year starter at QB making high school mistakes, then we will never win consistently. If he is going to play Big Ten football yet go for it on 4th and short out of the gun, then we should plan on more failing. If he is going to continue to trot out a kicker that is arguably the worst we've ever had, then how can we ever expect to compete for titles? Most of the losses this year fall right in Frost's lap. He's been out-coached in nearly every loss. Play-calling, time management, lack of development, freshmen mistakes at nearly every level of the offense. It takes a special kind of poor coaching to totally dominate a game like MSU and still lose. I wanted him to succeed as much as anyone else here, but you have to trust your eyes. This is poorly coached football.
Frost can flip the culture, but if he is going to continue to have a four-year starter at QB making high school mistakes, then we will never win consistently. If he is going to play Big Ten football yet go for it on 4th and short out of the gun, then we should plan on more failing. If he is going to continue to trot out a kicker that is arguably the worst we've ever had, then how can we ever expect to compete for titles? Most of the losses this year fall right in Frost's lap. He's been out-coached in nearly every loss. Play-calling, time management, lack of development, freshmen mistakes at nearly every level of the offense. It takes a special kind of poor coaching to totally dominate a game like MSU and still lose. I wanted him to succeed as much as anyone else here, but you have to trust your eyes. This is poorly coached football.
I don’t get how you leave him in place until the end of the season.
The inability to recruit is why, unless SF runs the table or at worst win 3 of remaining 4 games, it would be malpractice for Trev not to fire SF.
If SF is allowed to coach next season and has another losing season again which is almost assured given his history and then is fired, we will be looking at a bigger roster dumpster fire than frost even created after he took over with his arrogant attitude
The only safe move is to fire SF either now or at season's end. Yes we will have a bad recruiting class but that is already assured anyways. Yes we will have to cough up a god awful amount of money but not as much as fan apathy turning fan avoidance
While I was not a Riley fan, it is well past time to acknowledge that SF performance / record is even worse than Riley's or Callahan's
Well said. One caveat, this is a poorly coached team in two phases of the game: offense and special teams. The fish rots from the head and in our case it starts with SF which is why no amount of changes with assistant coaches resolves this. He has four years of losing under his belt and that is what a SF coached team is
Maybe we will learn the next time that the flag football conference Riley and Frost came from will not cut it in the physical, no nonsense, and disciplined play you need to run to compete in the Big 10.
LOL! The average anti-Frost fan was calling for Frost to be fired before the season started! Let’s be honest here. There has been a silent group of individuals who have wanted him gone for two years but couldn’t feel comfortable ”coming out” until the NCAA investigation was revealed. At that point the AF’s came out of the woodwork and have been prevalent throughout the season. I remember a cadre of folks demanding Frost be fired on Monday after the Illinois game. So let’s not pretend the AF’s are trying to be objective.
On the other issue, you seem critical that I am looking at the play on the field in EVERY game and crediting Frost and company with the obvious objective improvement that was evident in 5 out of 7 of them. You suggest that this is a false picture and that I should be looking at something else. Am I supposed to look at the two bad games and ignore the rest?
I could build a case against Frost if I desired to do so. But my agenda is not to try and build momentum for gutting the program. To the extent I have an agenda, it’s to be objective, understanding that the information I have as a fan is not sufficient to think I have all the answers. Roast may ultimately go down in flames, but I won’t be throwing gasoline at him on the way there. It’s counter productive to try and destroy your own coach.
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