Right on. There is a fear of the unknown and the liability that may accompany an unknown (or not fully understood) condition/bad outcome. I think you and I are on the same page.
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Myocarditis concerns at the heart of CFB discussions
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Right on. There is a fear of the unknown and the liability that may accompany an unknown (or not fully understood) condition/bad outcome. I think you and I are on the same page.
This (bolded) is what's getting overlooked. If conferences choose not to play football, there needs to be a class action lawsuit by businesses that would go under without a season.
Here are the facts:
1. Covid is out there, whether or not we play football.
2. The likelihood of contracting Covid is greater (more risk) for those who are in the general population, compared to those in a controlled team environment, where conditions are monitored closely.
3. If any individual is apt to experience myocarditis, it would be less likely in such a controlled environment. Treatment would also be more expeditious and effective.
I have not seen a single reason why "no football" would be safer than a controlled football environment.
A bit more info on myocarditis. This isn't new, it isn't shocking, but what is shocking is that there is no context around this. How often do college aged athletes get this when they get the flu (which is more dangerous to them overall by quite a ways), how often do people of this age recover and never know they even had it?
While this is scary out of context, the context is incredibly important. Nothing that has been reported has put this into context, nor have they explained how it is that European sports have progressed without this being an issue, or similar to what Elwood says "how it is that kids working out and playing sports outside of a college program are immune and safer to this than they are with all the testing and supervision of a college sports program"
While this is scary out of context, the context is incredibly important. Nothing that has been reported has put this into context, nor have they explained how it is that European sports have progressed without this being an issue, or similar to what Elwood says "how it is that kids working out and playing sports outside of a college program are immune and safer to this than they are with all the testing and supervision of a college sports program"
Thanks for putting words in my mouth! Great take.
More information on the Myocarditis panic. The more info that comes in after the original article that seemed to spark all of this, the more ridiculous it all seems
"According to Dr. Cantillon, myocarditis sounds a lot more severe than it usually is. In fact, many viruses have been linked to myocarditis, and most people who develop the condition continue to be fully functioning, Dr. Cantillon says—that includes working full-time and exercising. Myocarditis resulting from causes other than COVID-19 has been linked to arrhythmias (which occur when a patient has an irregular heartbeat) that can be life-threatening; however, “that is extremely rare,” Dr. Cantillon adds. Most patients who have myocarditis “have a very good quality of life.” "
More at the link at at the Health.com article linked there.
Pretty much looks like another hyped up Kawasaki Syndrome panic to me.
Yet, I was, of course, attacked on the board for thinking that the article was a joke -- why did I think it was a joke, because the article provided no reference data for, well anything, and no context.
And, of course, how is it that kids working out on their own are supposed to be SAFER than with the universities support?
"According to Dr. Cantillon, myocarditis sounds a lot more severe than it usually is. In fact, many viruses have been linked to myocarditis, and most people who develop the condition continue to be fully functioning, Dr. Cantillon says—that includes working full-time and exercising. Myocarditis resulting from causes other than COVID-19 has been linked to arrhythmias (which occur when a patient has an irregular heartbeat) that can be life-threatening; however, “that is extremely rare,” Dr. Cantillon adds. Most patients who have myocarditis “have a very good quality of life.” "
More at the link at at the Health.com article linked there.
Pretty much looks like another hyped up Kawasaki Syndrome panic to me.
Yet, I was, of course, attacked on the board for thinking that the article was a joke -- why did I think it was a joke, because the article provided no reference data for, well anything, and no context.
And, of course, how is it that kids working out on their own are supposed to be SAFER than with the universities support?
Viral Myocarditis:
Viruses associated with causing this condition:
Common cold (adenovirus)
COVID-19
Hepatitis B and C
Parvovirus, which causes a mild rash, usually in children (fifth disease)
Herpes simplex virus.
Gastrointestinal infections (echoviruses)
Mononucleosis (Epstein-Barr virus)
German measles (rubella) also can cause myocarditis.
It's also common in people with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
Note that with the exception of Parovirus, all of these viruses are potentially present in COLLEGE AGE subjects!!
So that viral myocarditis, may or may not be issue solely related to or caused by Covid 19 in football players and is NOT in and of itself reason to shut down football unless all these other infections are too.
www.mayoclinic.org
Viruses associated with causing this condition:
Common cold (adenovirus)
COVID-19
Hepatitis B and C
Parvovirus, which causes a mild rash, usually in children (fifth disease)
Herpes simplex virus.
Gastrointestinal infections (echoviruses)
Mononucleosis (Epstein-Barr virus)
German measles (rubella) also can cause myocarditis.
It's also common in people with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
Note that with the exception of Parovirus, all of these viruses are potentially present in COLLEGE AGE subjects!!
So that viral myocarditis, may or may not be issue solely related to or caused by Covid 19 in football players and is NOT in and of itself reason to shut down football unless all these other infections are too.
Myocarditis - Symptoms and causes
www.mayoclinic.org
A bit of a long term follow-up on this issue:
www.statnews.com
Setting the record straight: There is no 'Covid heart'
In a world where success is measured by clicks, the idea that even mild cases of Covid-19 could pose a new and unprecedented threat to the heart took off, even though it was largely unsubstantiated.
www.statnews.com
I'm shocked that the fear porn crowd was so easily misled.A bit of a long term follow-up on this issue:
Setting the record straight: There is no 'Covid heart'
In a world where success is measured by clicks, the idea that even mild cases of Covid-19 could pose a new and unprecedented threat to the heart took off, even though it was largely unsubstantiated.
Speaking from personal experience: My wife's lungs failed; her kidneys failed; she had a lot of things fail (including 2 cardiac arrests). The cardiac arrests were due to other factors, such as PE. But even when they were giving her 0% chance of survival, her heart kept beating. Now she is in pulmonary rehab, and still has a huge long road ahead. Trying to build up lung capacity and stamina. But her heart appears to be healthy.A bit of a long term follow-up on this issue:
Setting the record straight: There is no 'Covid heart'
In a world where success is measured by clicks, the idea that even mild cases of Covid-19 could pose a new and unprecedented threat to the heart took off, even though it was largely unsubstantiated.
Hope that she can keep moving along the road to a full recovery.
Misdirecting resources, like this instance toward college athletes did nothing to help us understand or deal with the real risks to others in the population.
Because of fear, the burden of proof was shifted from prove this is an issue before weake any hasty decisions to prove that it isn't a problem.A bit of a long term follow-up on this issue:
Setting the record straight: There is no 'Covid heart'
In a world where success is measured by clicks, the idea that even mild cases of Covid-19 could pose a new and unprecedented threat to the heart took off, even though it was largely unsubstantiated.
This is what poor leaders do. They abandon their principles in the face of any scrutiny because it is what is best for them. In this instance, demanding proof was too risky for them. But they could be proven wrong if other conferences played.
So the BIG needed to eliminate the threat of other conferences having a successful season and puffed up their chest and made their case to the other conferences. They were laughed out of the room because their shoddy proof was already thoroughly debunked.
This should be the nail in the coffin on how embarrassing and self-serving their actions were.
So if I understood the article correctly... some Kraut Doctors looked at bit more than a score of athletes who recovered from Covid and found abnormalities in about half of them... they never bothered to check a similar number of athletes who didn't have Covid in the same manner... If they had, they would have come up with a similar percentage...A bit of a long term follow-up on this issue:
Setting the record straight: There is no 'Covid heart'
In a world where success is measured by clicks, the idea that even mild cases of Covid-19 could pose a new and unprecedented threat to the heart took off, even though it was largely unsubstantiated.
Hence what they found was a hardly abnormal number of heart issues in athletes.
Athletes by nature are abnormal... they are on the very narrow right end of some sort of probability curve...
but if you look at some small group long enough, and critically enough, and in ways people are seldom looked at, guess what, you will find some abnormalities... something any of us can figure out from spending time on HuskerMax!
And looking at klein stuff in nauseating detail is something that Krautsters are good at... but what may be found may not be significant... even if it is statistically, which in this case it wasn't...
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Good article. Looks like a lack of sound scientific process coupled with overzealous media and leadership. On the positive, it’s good to know that updated research shows a low risk of cardiovascular problems related to COVID. And the authors are correct. There are many lessons to be learned from the handling of this pandemic. The whole thing has been one giant Charlie Foxtrot. Better luck to us next time.A bit of a long term follow-up on this issue:
Setting the record straight: There is no 'Covid heart'
In a world where success is measured by clicks, the idea that even mild cases of Covid-19 could pose a new and unprecedented threat to the heart took off, even though it was largely unsubstantiated.
But if you use logic and reason you can't beat the fear porn drum and that just wasn't acceptable. Fear must dominate and all must succumb to how horrible Covid is immediately otherwise you don't believe in science (until even the CDC says you can take your masks off and now the science isn't to be believed because it runs counter to fear).
There is NO MARKET for good news or - more importantly - no news... No news is not good news... you can't sell advertising on NO NEWS.
It was very obvious from the start that politics - perhaps more appropriately - trying to determine the message from the desired outcome, was behind most of the CDC and other AUTHORITIES messaging... So initially, it was masks were useless to counterproductive (which was dead wrong) and later masks were the abolute answer (also dead wrong). The wearing masks outside when exercising by your self with no one else around was desirable (for what reason, pray tell). Now on that last one, I don't think the CDC ever went there, but that didn't mean the scolds wouldn't.
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