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[speedy44]

While I would rather see a 16 team playoff I think a 4 team is a step in the right direction. Year after year we have the same argument about who should be in the BCS championship because there is such a fine line bw the 2nd and 3rd ranked teams. This 4 team playoff solves that problem. Sure we are still going to argue over who gets the 4th spot but that is a lot better than the person who ended up 3rd and left out all together. Example would be Auburn about ten years back being left out of the championship. Nobody can remember a team who finished 5th who everyone felt should have won a championship but there have been several teams not get the BCS bid who would have won if they got in.

 

[ShortSideOption]

lets say 8 teams;

8 @ 1
7 @ 2
6 @ 3
5 @ 4

Quit being logical....

 

[bilsker]

Everyone keeps assuming that a team should be given home field. Why???



Like I said... what great fun.

Why should someone get the home field? Why not? They earned it. People like to say a playoff will make the regular season meaningless. Now, of course that's just a stupid and desparate argument that really needs nothing to refute it. BUT if say there was a late season game between two teams that already pretty much knew they were in a playoff (the doomsday scenario that thill and others point to) there would be a massive incentive to win that game. Let's say it was Florida v. LSU. You think either of them is going to rest players and take the chance that they may have to travel to Columbus or lincoln in the middle of december? Hell no.

 

[bilsker]

I love these people that say they won't enjoy a playoff. Puhleez.

 

[cm husker]

lets say 8 teams;

8 @ 1
7 @ 2
6 @ 3
5 @ 4

then lets assume the highest seeds won,

4@1
3@2

Then you have your championship game...

The higher seeds. Pretty simple. In all likelihood a committee will do that. Same as basketball, baseball, volleyball...not sure how D1aa seeds but whatever.

That solves nothing. The whole point of the playoff is to let teams "decide it on a level playing field."

You are both just dodging one of the central issues a playoff allegedly fixes.

 

[Bo Pelinis Gum]

My take:

This (or an 8 team) playoff really solves nothing because it's still essentially predicated on the BCS, which people claim is flawed.

The playoff is ALL about money and very little about the student athlete or "fairness" (as evidenced by the B12 and SEC wanting a chance at two pieces of the big pie).
I could support a playoff (but not enjoy it) if you actually addressed the real underlying problems, such as the disparity in the conferences, the fact that the currently proposed systems don't really "decide it on the field" and the too long football season.

Break up the existing conferences, drop the bottom 36 or so teams, form regional super conferences that only play in conference and then have the winner of each go to an 8 team playoff that's played at a neutral site. That's the only serious way to address what people claim are all sorts of fatal flaws in the existing system. Anything short of that is going to hurt CFB far more than it will help it.

I actually think the concern for lost revenue, or decreasing revenue is the hold up more than anything else.

 

[utsker]

The thing is, if you use conference champs only, then the CCG games basically act as the first round of the playoffs and you have just doubled teh number of teams in contention. If you go into your CCG undefeated and lose to a team you beat during the regular season and has two losses already...well, life sucks...ya didn't get it done when it matters, so take a seat. Maybe we can have two FBS tourneys like basketball does and the teams that think they got screwed because they didn't win a conference can go play those

 

[cm husker]

North Dakota State won the FCS title in the 2011 season. They played 11 regular season games. Their first game was September 3. Their final regular season game was November 19. They played playoff games on Dec. 3, 10 and 17. They played the national championship game on January 7, 2012.

Their "little", "slow" players won 14 of their 15 games, including a win on the road against the Big Ten's Minnesota Golden Gophers' big, fast players, on whom they put 28 second quarter points to coast home with an easy victory. Their starting O-line had guards who went 6'3" 314 lbs, 6'3 1/2" 300 lbs, center was 6'2' 302 lbs, and tackles were 6'6" 309 lbs and 6'4" 294, just as an example of the size of the kids.

They beat South Dakota State on the road by 38-14, a program NU struggled to beat in Lincoln the year before 17-3 (a five loss ND St. team the year before beat that 2010 SD St. team 31-24, leading comfortably 31-14 late in the fourth before giving up a meaningless TD and FG).

But yeah, you are probably right. It is apples and oranges having those intramural-level ND State athletes practice in December, which is far different than having those D-1 FBS teams practice a little in December.


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Wait, so you are saying we should revamp the season schedule and shorten it?

And yes, in every single way possible except for the rules on the field, FBS and FCS are significantly different... they truly are apples and oranges. Just one example is the limit on total practice time being much different.

Again, if you want to create a carbon copy of the FCS system, cool... but that's not what anyone, including you in this thread, is proposing.

 

[bilsker]

That solves nothing. The whole point of the playoff is to let teams "decide it on a level playing field."

You are both just dodging one of the central issues a playoff allegedly fixes.

How do you figure it's not solved on the field in this scenario?

 

[Bo Pelinis Gum]

That solves nothing. The whole point of the playoff is to let teams "decide it on a level playing field."

You are both just dodging one of the central issues a playoff allegedly fixes.

Thats a true playoff system, what do you propose? Why re-invent the wheel simply for one level of football??

Your main issue is with the BCS, at least thats what Im reading. As long as there is an outside party(s) or computer, or coaches or media involved, there will ALWAYS be conspiriacys and fixes, just is what it is.

 

[cm husker]

I love these people that say they won't enjoy a playoff. Puhleez.

I enjoy seeing two teams rewarded for building a strong seasonal resume much more than watching the right team/system get hot at the end.

 

[utsker]

Of course it is.....it's all about the Benjamins...and right behind that, it's the fact that the teams in a playoff will get what basically amounts to two spring practices. They need to look into that to. Every team, should be allocated the same amount of practices even if they don't go to a bowl game

 

[Bo Pelinis Gum]

Wait, so you are saying we should revamp the season schedule and shorten it?

And yes, in every single way possible except for the rules on the field, FBS and FCS are significantly different... they truly are apples and oranges. Just one example is the limit on total practice time being much different.

Again, if you want to create a carbon copy of the FCS system, cool... but that's not what anyone, including you in this thread, is proposing.

yes when compared against each other, but when compared to their own kind, its apples and apples.

 

[Porkchopexpress]

I also believe that there are significant limits on time commitments at the FCS and lower level. Are we going to change that at the FBS level?

I'm interested to know what you mean by different time commitments? I'm pretty sure NCAA rules for practice time are pretty uniform whether it's FBS or D3. I don't believe NU players get any more, or less, regulated practice time than Mount Union players do. Perhaps the time is better utilized at the FBS level, due to more coaches, better equipment, better trainers, and more facilities to practice in, but I would think time commitments are going to be pretty similar. Maybe players at the FBS level spend more time dealing with the media, but then we're only talking about a fraction of players at the FBS level who have any media responsibilties.

 

[bilsker]

The thing is, if you use conference champs only, then the CCG games basically act as the first round of the playoffs and you have just doubled teh number of teams in contention. If you go into your CCG undefeated and lose to a team you beat during the regular season and has two losses already...well, life sucks...ya didn't get it done when it matters, so take a seat. Maybe we can have two FBS tourneys like basketball does and the teams that think they got screwed because they didn't win a conference can go play those

I like the first part. I really have zero problem leaving a team out of the playoffs (if it's a small playoff like 4) if they didn't win their conference. That makes the regular season even more important than it is now. As it is now it was actually to Bama's benefit that they lost to LSU the first time...saved them having to play that extra games.

To the bolded...the "NIT" would be the bowls. That's all they are now anyway (save for 1)...useless exhibitions.