Bill Busch to be OFFICIALLY named ST Coordinator

[Cornjob]

It can be two things at once. I don't think Busch was the first choice. I also think he'll end up being a good hire if he's allowed to be.

Let's assume what you say is true, and Busch was the 3rd choice. If all three guys you are considering are similarly excellent choices, what's the reason for negativity if you get Busch?

I think it was unreasonable to expect the ST coach to be announced very early in this process, even if the decision to bring in Busch was likely made earlier. Frost said he wanted the OC to have input on the other offensive coaches, and presumably the structure of their roles. Even if he was 90% sure he wanted a full-time ST coordinator, the option was still there to structure things differently. Busch was already here, and already has a commitment to Nebraska. It would have been illogical to reduce your flexibility with the structure of the staff until you knew the other pieces with more certainty.

The delay certainly didn't prevent them from attracting two quality specialist transfers. There just isn't a downside to being patient with the process if you already have Busch in your pocket. I don't understand the need to jump to a nefarious explanation, other than to find a way to inject this announcement with unwarranted disappointment.

This fanbase is mentally ill from the way the last few years have gone on top of the decade before that. You can see it when reading fan forums. Pre-emptive pessimism is a defense mechanism, but it sucks all the joy out of being a fan.

 

[Cornjob]

Well the beauty of surrendering the OC duties is that Frost can opt to spend what time he deems necessary with any group, and that can change week to week, day to day.

I always had the impression that's how Tom Osborne operated.

 

[Frank The Tank]

Let's assume what you say is true, and Busch was the 3rd choice. If all three guys you are considering are similarly excellent choices, what's the reason for negativity if you get Busch?

I think it was unreasonable to expect the ST coach to be announced very early in this process, even if the decision to bring in Busch was likely made earlier. Frost said he wanted the OC to have input on the other offensive coaches, and presumably the structure of their roles. Even if he was 90% sure he wanted a full-time ST coordinator, the option was still there to structure things differently. Busch was already here, and already has a commitment to Nebraska. It would have been illogical to reduce your flexibility with the structure of the staff until you knew the other pieces with more certainty.

The delay certainly didn't prevent them from attracting two quality specialist transfers. There just isn't a downside to being patient with the process if you already have Busch in your pocket. I don't understand the need to jump to a nefarious explanation, other than to find a way to inject this announcement with unwarranted disappointment.

This fanbase is mentally ill from the way the last few years have gone on top of the decade before that. You can see it when reading fan forums. Pre-emptive pessimism is a defense mechanism, but it sucks all the joy out of being a fan.

I'm not negative on Busch, but you act as though skepticism isn't warranted from the fanbase. The results haven't followed the hype. Naturally people are doubtful. Doesn't make them less of a fan.

 

[Cannon Fodder Husker]

The last 3 years, we have sucked at STs and Frost has dealt with it by, in my opinion, a dismissive effort. Now, he has fired some assistants and taken corrective steps to address the STs by hiring a fulltime ST coach. Busch has had some success at various levels, and is a good recruiter, so Frost didn't stand pat on the status quo again, and I am cautiously optimistic that the STs will make a substantial improvement. I will wait until I see the product on the field this fall before forming an opinion on the validity of the hire.

 

[Cannon Fodder Husker]

I'm not negative on Busch, but you act as though skepticism isn't warranted from the fanbase. The results haven't followed the hype. Naturally people are doubtful. Doesn't make them less of a fan.

Agreed. With the degree that Frost and his staff have underperformed, they will have to earn back the trust of the fanbase, at least that's how I see it. It is encouraging that Frost finally made some tough decisions on his staff, but he has a narrow window to operate in due to the gaffs over the last 4 years. I hope the changes can get the program moving in the right direction, but skepticism is warranted, IMO.

 

[Cornjob]

I'm not negative on Busch, but you act as though skepticism isn't warranted from the fanbase. The results haven't followed the hype. Naturally people are doubtful. Doesn't make them less of a fan.

I won't say more about it, since the thread should be about Busch.

I never said 'less of a fan'. I said joy-less. If you can't find reason for celebration when the staff adds quality pieces like Whipple, Joseph and Busch (and probably Raiola, but I think he's more about potential), then where does the enjoyment derive as a fan?

EVERY fanbase builds optimism in the off-season, logical or not, looking forward to better things the following year. Its as regular as the changing seasons. Somewhere there are a handful of Kansas fans secretly hoping they'll break through next year, and watching the off-season moves in hope. If the enjoyment instead is in the thrill of tearing down others' optimism, I am saying its a sign of a sick fanbase. We are becoming the Statler and Waldorf of college football, only good for cynical comments and insular jokes at the expense of whoever dares to express hopeful expectations. There is a difference between 'skepticism' and 'cynicism'. That's what I'm getting at.

To me, the Busch announcement as a full-time special teams coach warrants unvarnished nods of approval. Special teams needs to be better, and a capable guy who loves Nebraska, and has a track-record as a great recruiter, has just been given a mandate to do it.

 

[RED CRUSADER]

Let's assume what you say is true, and Busch was the 3rd choice. If all three guys you are considering are similarly excellent choices, what's the reason for negativity if you get Busch?

I think it was unreasonable to expect the ST coach to be announced very early in this process, even if the decision to bring in Busch was likely made earlier. Frost said he wanted the OC to have input on the other offensive coaches, and presumably the structure of their roles. Even if he was 90% sure he wanted a full-time ST coordinator, the option was still there to structure things differently. Busch was already here, and already has a commitment to Nebraska. It would have been illogical to reduce your flexibility with the structure of the staff until you knew the other pieces with more certainty.

The delay certainly didn't prevent them from attracting two quality specialist transfers. There just isn't a downside to being patient with the process if you already have Busch in your pocket. I don't understand the need to jump to a nefarious explanation, other than to find a way to inject this announcement with unwarranted disappointment.

This fanbase is mentally ill from the way the last few years have gone on top of the decade before that. You can see it when reading fan forums. Pre-emptive pessimism is a defense mechanism, but it sucks all the joy out of being a fan.

Cornhole and corn job are too close to reminding me of the movie deliverance could you choose other names

 

[Woodhead]

Agreed. With the degree that Frost and his staff have underperformed, they will have to earn back the trust of the fanbase, at least that's how I see it. It is encouraging that Frost finally made some tough decisions on his staff, but he has a narrow window to operate in due to the gaffs over the last 4 years. I hope the changes can get the program moving in the right direction, but skepticism is warranted, IMO.

Profits, skeptics, and blasphemers. Dig it all. All are welcome. As with so much in current public debate, we tend to lump individuals into groups of convenience, and then assign them our own modes of functioning. How could anyone be misunderstood?
For instance, I don't function in the trust realm as do you. I don't feel any trust I hold has been violated as do you. The only "trust" I place in Frost is that his efforts are complete and considerably thought out. That trust is borne out in witnessing the effort his kids play with. And like you, I see reason for allowing that positive change can occur with the decisions recently made.
I suppose another distinction in how we perceive our fandom is that I don't experience any sense of "cost" in not being skeptical. I can personally afford to view this circumstance in a positive light. If I represent a larger section of the fanbase than just myself, perhaps Frost need not earn back trust of all, just some.

 

[Cornjob]

Cornhole and corn job are too close to reminding me of the movie deliverance could you choose other names

 

[RED CRUSADER]

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After that movie I had nightmares for a month

 

[RED CRUSADER]

Is that what happens to us when HCSF tells us the good players are twitchy

 

[Frank The Tank]

I won't say more about it, since the thread should be about Busch.

I never said 'less of a fan'. I said joy-less. If you can't find reason for celebration when the staff adds quality pieces like Whipple, Joseph and Busch (and probably Raiola, but I think he's more about potential), then where does the enjoyment derive as a fan?

EVERY fanbase builds optimism in the off-season, logical or not, looking forward to better things the following year. Its as regular as the changing seasons. Somewhere there are a handful of Kansas fans secretly hoping they'll break through next year, and watching the off-season moves in hope. If the enjoyment instead is in the thrill of tearing down others' optimism, I am saying its a sign of a sick fanbase. We are becoming the Statler and Waldorf of college football, only good for cynical comments and insular jokes at the expense of whoever dares to express hopeful expectations. There is a difference between 'skepticism' and 'cynicism'. That's what I'm getting at.

To me, the Busch announcement as a full-time special teams coach warrants unvarnished nods of approval. Special teams needs to be better, and a capable guy who loves Nebraska, and has a track-record as a great recruiter, has just been given a mandate to do it.

Kansas fans probably have more reason for optimism at this point. It kills me that after four years it's still "wait til next year." I'm sorry I just can't muster up the enthusiasm again for a coach who waited two years too long to make the changes that he made. Regardless of the pieces it's still the same guy running it. The only hope I have is the new hires like Joseph and Whipple can mentor their boss.

 

[Cannon Fodder Husker]

Profits, skeptics, and blasphemers. Dig it all. All are welcome. As with so much in current public debate, we tend to lump individuals into groups of convenience, and then assign them our own modes of functioning. How could anyone be misunderstood?
For instance, I don't function in the trust realm as do you. I don't feel any trust I hold has been violated as do you. The only "trust" I place in Frost is that his efforts are complete and considerably thought out. That trust is borne out in witnessing the effort his kids play with. And like you, I see reason for allowing that positive change can occur with the decisions recently made.
I suppose another distinction in how we perceive our fandom is that I don't experience any sense of "cost" in not being skeptical. I can personally afford to view this circumstance in a positive light. If I represent a larger section of the fanbase than just myself, perhaps Frost need not earn back trust of all, just some.

I do understand that viewpoint. I don't perceive not being skeptical as a "cost", either. However, at the other extreme, I'm not going to trust that a coach is going to be successful just because he tries his best and wears the right uniform, either. For me, it comes down to a tradition that Frost has been entrusted to continue/revive. IMO, he was entrusted with that task when he was hired. I think more was/is expected than a complete & considerably thought out effort, as you could make the case that most of the failed coaches at NU have checked those boxes. Also, at the time he was hired, I don't think the pervasive view was that Frost was an apprentice that needed 4 years to figure out what he was doing. More was expected after he was the successful head man at UCF. I can absolutely afford to view recent NU football circumstances in a positive light, but to me it is an analytical decision. At some point, it comes down to performance in a performance based sport. It's rare to have people heavily invested in something, and then expect them to limit their reactions to only a selected subset. And, I think people are generally quite invested in Husker football. If the performance is an established pattern of poor results, at some point it becomes statistically probable to expect more of the same when the entity is under the same management. This is just where I'm coming from in my thinking...It's a good discussion for sure....

 

[Boheet]

All the worry about Busch being first choice or not really is irrelevant. ST won’t improve until Frost decides it is actually important, not just give it lip service (2021 felt like lip service, even in training camp). Until the importance of ST is shown in practice (both by time and commitment) there won’t be significant improvement no matter who the coach is.

 

[RED CRUSADER]

Kansas fans probably have more reason for optimism at this point. It kills me that after four years it's still "wait til next year." I'm sorry I just can't muster up the enthusiasm again for a coach who waited two years too long to make the changes that he made. Regardless of the pieces it's still the same guy running it. The only hope I have is the new hires like Joseph and Whipple can mentor their boss.

Don’t fool yourself if HCSF is down at the end of the year Whipple and Joseph will be waiting in the wings to become co-head coaches at dear ‘ol NU!!!