It is amusing to me that critics of the program insist on saying the same things about TA that they said about TM.
It could t possibly be that they were the best options at the position, could it?
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It could t possibly be that they were the best options at the position, could it?
Agree, but Jammal Lord was a great runner. Tommy is a good runner not a great runner.
So obviously what he actually did in the game does not matter to you?
Tommy will definitely be in the mix and, despite SoCal's endorsement, will definitely be the favorite to win the position. While he has significant areas to improve, his experience edge alone IMO, is nearly insurmountable for the first 2015 game. I do think Riley will open up the competition, and others will get a good look. We will know quickly who the contenders are but it is likely there will only be one (Stanton, but possibly Darlington). If we see that QB getting some significant rep's in the first or second game...then we will know that he is being prepped to replace Tommy, if TA at some point falters.
While TA's game against USC could have been a disaster had USC intercepted just a few passes that seemed destined for interception...all in all, he ended up with a pretty good game statistically. Keep in mind though, that good passing days against USC this past season has been more the norm than the exception. Believe it or not, teams averaged over 275 yards per game and about 60% completions against them.
While TA's game against USC could have been a disaster had USC intercepted just a few passes that seemed destined for interception...all in all, he ended up with a pretty good game statistically. Keep in mind though, that good passing days against USC this past season has been more the norm than the exception. Believe it or not, teams averaged over 275 yards per game and about 60% completions against them.
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So, do you think that's an indictment of the fans . . . or an indictment of the coaches who are responsible for recruiting and developing players that can do what their "systems" ask? TA gets a lot of the same criticism that Martinez got because they are both NOT highly skilled passers (much less dropback passers) who have been continually asked to be what they were/are not. That's symptomatic of coaches who are married to their schemes rather than adjusting to what their players can do best.
Same reason the defense has struggled with the defensive guru at the helm the last several years. That must be a fan problem, too.
So Cal: Been reading your defense of TA and you must have felt the same about TM. Stats are for losers. Are you then saying because of his stats, he had the best bowl of any NU QB? Are you saying TM was a great QB at Nebraska because of his stats? TA could be the starter next year, but I think the odds are 50/50 at best. I get tired of the whole reps argument and that this is the best QB we have. TA was very lucky to have the stats he did last night. USC dropped 3-4 easy picks and the throw to Westerkamp probably shouldn't have been thrown. Westy made a great play. His decision making is not good. And I don't know why we call it a zone read, when there is no read. Not all of this is TA's fault, a lot of it is coaching. When Pelini coached it just seemed like when one QB was named the starter, that was it no matter the performance. Well Pelini was fired and most thought that was a good idea. So I am not convinced TA is the best we have. Quite frankly, I think Tim Beck was lazy in that he did not develop a 2nd QB. The reps excuse doesn't hold water with me. TO didn't seem to have that problem (see Berringer & Turman). In TA's favor is that he is tough, but when he was yelling at his teammates and arguing with the coaches, that wasn't good leadership in my opinion. Did Beck play to TA's strengths? No, but TA made plenty of poor decisions last night and Reilly recruited Stanton hard. I think being an Elite 11 QB warrants a pretty good argument for possibly starting in a pro style offense. I am for whoever gives us the best chance of winning, but I am not sure everyone was always given equal opportunities at several positions, including QB under Pelini and Beck.
It's an opinion board, so you have yours others have their's. I think we can all agree that we are not satisfied with 9-4 season's and that some things need to change. We have a new coach, why not try a new QB?
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That is because its like Ground Hog day. Even if they are the best options, doesnt mitigate the indictment of the regime for not doing better in scouting up a QB. Don't worry, HCMR will find some.
Like I said, Bo wont be here to protect the status quo. Every player should be playing for his job in every game.
NU fans have suffered through 6 straight years of inconsistent QB play. Martinez fumbles and injuries...dual QBs...completion % problems
To make it worse they all showed flashes of brilliance. The fans just want a consistent QB that takes care of the ball. Anything else is icing on the cake at this point. IMO
To make it worse they all showed flashes of brilliance. The fans just want a consistent QB that takes care of the ball. Anything else is icing on the cake at this point. IMO
Just for the record, I haven't given any player my endorsement at the position. You always misread my posts. I just think it's blatantly stupid for anyone to dismiss Tommy out of hand. A returning two year starter with leadership skills which TM never really had cannot be dismissed, imo.
Speak for yourself; you certainly don't speak for "the fans". Your version of a QB isn't going to win any championships.
I guess Alabama hasnt won any championships with consistent QBs that took care of the ball over the last ten years? Those QBs werent elite or good pros. Marshall at Auburn wasnt a great passer last year but made up for it running and not throwing inopportune? picks. Consistent doesnt mean lacking big plays. It means they consistently make correct decisions and get rid of the ball on time. Throw it away instead of taking a sack. If I dont speak for you about consistent QB play and taking care of the ball. What kind of QB do you want?
I suppose that's possible. It's strange that your post, which is directly below my post, clearly references dropped interceptions, which was one of the main points of my posts immediately above. Coincidence? Perhaps. Convenient backtracking? Most likely. I hate having to resort to hypophora.
LOL...probably because you never take a stand. After UCLA 2013, you are done with Bo...oh, but then you are all for him again, before you were done with him again, but now think he's been wronged. LOL. You opinions are a mess. It's the same thing with TA...even you have no idea what you think of him. A mess...LOL.
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