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Stanford would cut football in an instant. That's not even debatable.
With their endowment they could very few other schools could. They question is would they? I doubt it.
Stanford won’t burn their endowment on sports. They already cut a bunch that were going to be a financial burden, I doubt they’d hesitate to continue trimming more of the fat.
Not surprised that college athletes are trying this. Some things I will agree with always. Do away with the long-term high end contracts to coaches and pen
Or if they want really want to go to college, there is always the military.
I like it, and let them hire an attorney or estate manager to handle their money..
Or if they want really want to go to college, there is always the military.
I have no problem sweetening the deal some toward players. At least at Power 5 level they generate a lot of cash. I've felt CFB should do more in this area for years now.
A lot of these demands are over the top though. 50% of revenues? Can't and won't happen.
If this season does happen I can imagine this being dealt with with a promise to look at some things like health insurance over the next year, but with no promises before the season. The reality is changes like this take a lot of time in a fairly decentralized structure like college football.
If players wont accept that then it just becomes another complicating factor in what would be a difficult season to pull off anyway.
A lot of these demands are over the top though. 50% of revenues? Can't and won't happen.
If this season does happen I can imagine this being dealt with with a promise to look at some things like health insurance over the next year, but with no promises before the season. The reality is changes like this take a lot of time in a fairly decentralized structure like college football.
If players wont accept that then it just becomes another complicating factor in what would be a difficult season to pull off anyway.
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This. I hope everyone realizes it is all sports that fall into this (at least I think it is all sports). If not, there will still be a whole lot of colleges dropping a whole lot so sports to "pay" their privileged athletes in the sports that apply for the payment. For example, remember UNO dropping its MNC winning hockey team due to $$? Multiply that by a ton and that will be the new reality, and not for just UNO type schools but all schools. This may not be reality as the NCAA may have a plan for all this but, IMO, the NCAA couldn't run a gas station, with a Taco Bell/KFC inside, and make a profit or keep the business going so I have very little faith in the ability to make everything ok, as it pertains to this particular subject.
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For football, colleges need the athletes, but the athletes also need the colleges. Until the NFL decides to create a minor league, there is no real path from high school to professional. In fact, even aside from professional ambitions, there is nowhere else to even play football after high school. Colleges should realize that they have pretty good leverage here.
Basketball and baseball are different stories when it comes to elite high school players, as those sports offer other paths to become a professional. Of course, baseball is a revenue-losing sport for the vast majority of colleges that field teams.
Basketball and baseball are different stories when it comes to elite high school players, as those sports offer other paths to become a professional. Of course, baseball is a revenue-losing sport for the vast majority of colleges that field teams.
To the bold I wonder if it really will change all that much. I mean the "business" of college sports is definitely different today than it was in the 70s or 80s or even 90s. But once toe meets leather...as a fan do we really care? When it's 4th and goal late in the 4th Q are we really concerned with the fact that the coach is making a crap-ton of cash or that the RB might have a closet full of Adidas gear? Am I going to be mad if they are successful in negotiating extended medical care?
I'm all about capitalism but as far as college sports is concerned I'm hopeful that it takes a more socialistic look. I hope it doesn't become a bidding war for the 5* QB. I'd like to see all the players reap the benefits equally to some degree. But as a capitalist it's hard to argue against it. Just about everyone else is able to sell their services to the "highest bidder". Maybe it's inevitable. And we may not like the result. But who can we be mad at if/when it goes that way? It's the American way, right?
To this bold...
What drove all of the change? The change from "extra curricular"/club sports to what we see today? The colleges and money. First it's butts in seats, then it's bowl games and playoffs, then it's TV....then it's TV on steroids...all driven by millions and billions of dollars. And relatively cheap and unrepresented and expendable labor. The colleges are to "blame" for it becoming what it is today. 100%. Now they want to play the victim when the product says "hey, what about us?" I'm just not inclined to call players "greedy" when it wasn't their greed that created this monster in the first place.
Again, most of these kids bring little value independent of putting college’X’ on their uniform. If you don’t want to play for a university without getting paid, that’s okay. We’ll find players who do.
I’m in favor of NIL. That money comes from the business world, not universities. And each player will be able to earn whatever their value is on the market. It’s a merit based system, and I like that. But if you want to get paid by an organization, then CFB is not for you.
I’m in favor of NIL. That money comes from the business world, not universities. And each player will be able to earn whatever their value is on the market. It’s a merit based system, and I like that. But if you want to get paid by an organization, then CFB is not for you.
What?
I agree that the student-athlete thing has been a farce for a long time but trading the title of student-athlete for employee has significant implications this group of athletes hasn't fully considered. They have some legitimate points (and some bogus ones) but, if they are successful, it will change athletics forever and many of those changes will not be all that favorable for the athletes. They would now be signing contracts, not letters of intent. There would be every reason for those contracts to contain non-compete clauses. Freedom to transfer and becoming a contractual employee are not compatible demands. It would end the era of transferring just because you aren't the starter. You might get traded but the athlete would likely lose more control than they would gain in that regard.
It's easy to say the schools are getting the majority of the benefit, but I'm not so sure. I think it's the athletes that get the scholarship who benefit the most. Sure, the universities make major money but it is all reinvested in to the athletic program. Athletic programs are not profit centers. Most lose money. There's legitimacy to complaints about excessive salaries, etc. but I am not sure changing the model ultimately benefits the athletes. I think the average Power 5 football player with little to no NFL potential is a lot better off than the average guy in the lower levels of minor league baseball, for instance. And, currently, they are getting an education, or at least they have every opportunity to do so.
As for the Wazzu situation, the kid said he didn't want to play for health reasons. If that's true, he shouldn't want to work out on campus because he'll be exposed to people who are playing. The risk of getting COVID from hanging out with guys that are playing is not likely appreciably less than actually playing. It makes no sense to opt out for health reasons and then expect to be in the facilities.
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"I didn't come here to play school!"
The idea that the players will get paid by local car dealerships, local restaurants, etc. for the "NIL" opens things up to way more funny business than I think a lot of people realize. You'll basically be in "contract negotiations" with players. You think the smart programs won't have entire staffs devoted to lining up deals for their players? So what if bama is telling a kid "we have talked to X, Y and Z and they've guaranteed you $100K/yr should you choose us." Then he says to NU "Here's what bama is offering...what can you do?" The NIL thing will be exactly what many of you say you don't want.
