I have been saying for a long time that the schools would not allow NIL to continue as it diverts booster money away from the schools themselves and towards the athletes. They want to control the flow of money. They want to build bigger and bigger facilities. They want to have more and more administrative staff and layers and layers of Underlings. The corporatization of college sports is beginning. Contracts with the student athletes and unions will surely follow.
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New NCAA Subdivision Coming?- Schools Paying Players
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I'd generally agree with you, but I think schools/NCAA are afraid to push back much on anything Title IX related. The optics of it are bad, and you already get a lot of complaints about women's championships not being as nice as the men's, and things of that nature. The article specifically stated that the pool would have to be split between men's and women's. So it may not be something that Title IX directly expresses, but might be a way of avoiding litigation in the future.
What I don't understand is why the football players have to go to classes. With these new programs it doesn't seem to me that they are student athletes at all. Colleges are just trying to make more money for their athletic departments and are continuing the charade of classwork and students, probably to keep their prestige in other intercollegiate university organizations, and to continue to get preferential treatment from state legislatures..
That doesn't mean some kids don't go to classes and even get parts of their graduate school paid for. Good for them. But the drift (IMO) is away from scholastics and to straight payments, unions, etc. OK if it happens, but why fool ourselves into thinking that these conditions, once these changes occur, have anything to do with students.
That doesn't mean some kids don't go to classes and even get parts of their graduate school paid for. Good for them. But the drift (IMO) is away from scholastics and to straight payments, unions, etc. OK if it happens, but why fool ourselves into thinking that these conditions, once these changes occur, have anything to do with students.
98% of college athletes go pro in something other than sports.
It might seem like a silly commercial, but it is true. Think on Nebraska's football team alone. How many guys has Nebraska sent to play professional football in the last ten years? How many of those guys made it in there long enough to never have to work again? There are some, but the percentage is very low.
There is still value in the degree. Look at Josh Dobbs. Guy graduated from Tennessee and bounced around the NFL as a backup/practice squad guy for a few years. He's doing pretty well right now, starting for the Vikings, but there were a lot of times where it looked like he could be headed out of the league. His fall back plan: rocket scientist. Suh got his degree in Engineering. Andrew Luck got a degree in architecture and ultimately decided he was tired of putting his body through the pain of football and left.
There isn't as much money being floated around in college football as people think. Top players I'm sure are doing very well for themselves, but there are a lot of guys who are just normal college dudes.
Basically they will be hired guns. Maybe, since it’s all about money, they will no longer force them to go to school, and they are just university employees making dump trucks full of money. Hand millions to 17-23 year olds. Yep, that should work out well.
131 teams in D1, 85 scholarships, that’s 11,135 playing on scholarship. Of that number, maybe 200 or so make the NFL. I guess they are just planning to give some life changing money to the others. This is all just so ridiculous. Only in America.
Maybe because most of them will never make a career playing sports?
The NCAA pay proposal does NOT limit NIL. That would remain a private matter…
This is the paragraph that confused me. Obviously there are different interpretations and this is just a conversation starter. I could be all wrong on what they are saying.
In a sense, this would allow institutions to purchase the NIL rights of their athletes — a concept suggested by athletic administrators over the last several years.
Right , and that's not going to be possible with what the QB's will be asking.
As I read it, NIL (hence, what QBs will be asking for) will not be affected, and therefor will not be subject to Title IX requirements, just like is currently being done. To Hville‘s comment, a school could purchase an athlete‘s NIL rights, but if they do, then I would think that Title IX would come into play. If my interpretation is correct (and I’m often wrong!) then it would be counterproductive for universities to get involved directly with NIL. But, if they just want to participate in the proposed new division and pay ALL their athletes, then they will have to fund a trust to do so, and it will definitely have to be equalized for Title IX…
EDIT: To be clear, a school may participate in the new division and pay all their athletes, but that does not make NIL as it currently exists go away - individual athletes can still negotiate separate, private NIL deals. The law still protects the right to private NIL…
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I Agree that NIL is separate and could be purchased by the school, but doesn’t have to be. The $30k per student into a trust would be the school and subject to Title IX. The proposal has no ceilings on NIL, and the $30k is a floor. At approximately 700 athletes, UNL would have to put over $20M in the trust fund as a minimum. I think that is less than they “spend” on athletic scholarships for tuition, room and board.
But what if 3-4 schools each in the P 4 schools declined, would the conferences mandate opting in?
P5 college football is already pro football.
The only thing that's started to change is the direction of the money. The "facilities war" has existed since at least the 1990s, if not before. Over the past 10-20 years coaches salaries have exploded to the point where A&M's paying Jimbo over $70 million to go away. I've lost track of how much Nebraska's paid coaches to go away since FADSP did something really stupid.
There's only six NFL coaches making more than Nick Saban this year. Rhule's $9.5 million would tie him with the Titans Mike Vrabel as the 10th highest paid coach in the NFL.
The money already exists at the P5 level, and has for years. The only thing that's changing is who's legally getting some of it, and that there are some people in NCAA and university leadership who are proactive and forward thinking instead of reactive, which is what the NCAA and university leaders have been at least since Oklahoma smacked down the NCAA for violating antitrust law in the early 80s. The lack of forward thinking, proactive, leaders in college sports has been the NCAA's #1 problem for 50 years, and it's finally come home to roost.
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The bottom line answer is: Because the NFL and NBA won't create true minor league systems and unlike some countries, the US has high school sports instead of a popular club sports scene (with the exception of AAU bball, which exists alongside HS bball). For example, in a snippet from a profile on Jaz Shelley that's airing tomorrow, she said Australia "really doesn't have HS sports" so she's been playing pro club and international bball since she was like 14-15 years old. That's how she got noticed and recruited by colleges.
The system we have in the US has been in place for too long to tear it down, and neither the NFL or NBA owners are interested in creating a true minor league system and allowing HS graduates to declare for the draft.
Also, I'd argue that, depending on the athlete and the program, earning a degree hasn't been a priority for decades. Dexter Manley "graduated" from Oklahoma State in 1981. He was functionally illiterate. In college, I had a friend who was friends with Georgetown basketball player Allen Iverson. The things he did to avoid class were hilarious, yet he wasn't ever ineligable. If an athlete is great and doesn't want to go to class, universities have been willing to look the other way for many years.
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