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The Big Red Lebowski

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The 2013 list is out. Nebraska came in at #10 (up from #11 in 2012). The rest of the Big 10:

#5: Michigan (down from #2 in 2012)
#9: Ohio St. (up from #20 in 2012 - low ranking was due to the NCAA sanctions)
#10 Nebraska
#15: Penn St. (down from #13 in 2012...prior to the Sandusky scandal they were always top 5)
#16: Wisconsin (down from #14 in 2012)

Iowa and MSU were just outside the top 20.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emdm45efmkf/1-texas-longhorns-3/
 
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What I find most interesting about those numbers is the difference between revenue and profit, or what the programs are spending on football. It would be interesting to see where all that money goes. I mean, how is Alabama spending double what Nebraska spends?

ExpensesTeamRevenueProfit
$42 millionAlabama$89 million$47 million
$36 millionAuburn$75 million$39 million
$32 millionNotre Dame$78 million$46 million
$32 millionWisconsin$51 million$19 million
$29 millionArkansas$61 million$32 million
$29 millionPenn State$59 million$30 million
$27 millionTennessee$55 million$28 million
$27 millionTexas$109 million$82 million
$26 millionLSU$74 million$48 million
$26 millionGeorgia$66 million$40 million
$26 millionFlorida$75 million$49 million
$25 millionSouth Carolina$49 million$24 million
$25 millionOklahoma$70 million$45 million
$23 millionMichigan$81 million$58 million
$23 millionUSC$58 million$35 million
$23 millionOhio State$61 million$48 million
$23 millionWashington$56 million$33 million
$21 millionNebraska$56 million$35 million
$21 millionOregon$54 million$33 million
$18 millionTexas A&M$54 million$36 million
 



Here is what I don't get: Our program has been fair to middling for over a decade, yet we are still #10 in supposed value, and we toss off a profit of $35 million a year.

If we wanted to get really serious about being a national contender again, why would we not break out the checkbook and pay ridiculous money for a Les Miles, Harbaugh, or similar?

Looks like that concept has worked out nicely for Alabama - several national championships and a sparkling bottom line.

Are we penny wise pound foolish?
 
Here is what I don't get: Our program has been fair to middling for over a decade, yet we are still #10 in supposed value, and we toss off a profit of $35 million a year.

If we wanted to get really serious about being a national contender again, why would we not break out the checkbook and pay ridiculous money for a Les Miles, Harbaugh, or similar?

Looks like that concept has worked out nicely for Alabama - several national championships and a sparkling bottom line.

Are we penny wise pound foolish?
Nebraska is still "old school" when it comes to digging deep in their pockets unless it's mostly infrastructure. We really could hire whomever we want when it comes to the money side of things. What the administration seems to miss is how long will our current "win nothing" in the past 13 years eventually completely erode the program of this value? In a sense they are letting things regress while kicking the can down the road! Where will the program be in another 10 years of this bunk of saying.. just wait until next year. Bo gets a mulligan next season ok... we all get that part! Now I'm saying IF we can't get over the hump of actually winning the conference or making a BCS bowl then some hard decision need to be made imo.............
 
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Nebraska is still "old school" when it comes to digging deep in their pockets unless it's mostly infrastructure. We really could hire whomever we want when it comes to the money side of things. What the administration seems to miss is how long will our current "win nothing" in the past 13 years eventually completely erode the program of this value? In a sense they are letting things regress while kicking the can down the road! Where will the program be in another 10 years of this bunk of saying.. just wait until next year. Bo gets a mulligan next season ok... we all get that part! Now I'm saying IF we can't get over the hump of actually winning the conference or making a BCS bowl then some hard decision need to be made imo.............

Exactly my point:

If Bo Pelini costs you $3 mil a year but throws off a bottom line of $35 mil, that's pretty good.

But if Nick Saban costs you $10 mil but throws off a bottom line of $50 mil...

Which coach is the most expensive?

Im not a mathematician but the answer is pretty obvious.

Maybe the NU athletics admin should attend a freshman economics class before semester break. Oh wait too late.
 
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Exactly my point:

If Bo Pelini costs you $3 mil a year but throws off a bottom line of $35 mil, that's pretty good.

But if Nick Saban costs you $10 mil but throws off a bottom line of $50 mil...

Which coach is the most expensive?

Im not a mathematician but the answer is pretty obvious.

Excellent point! No need for rocket science to figure which is more cost effective imo. I'm wanting Bo to succeed as he's got another year... but if it's the same old same old.... something needs to changed imo!
 




How much are these other programs spending on jet fuel for their recruiting planes? Open the checkbook and buy a plane (or 2)!!
 
How much are these other programs spending on jet fuel for their recruiting planes? Open the checkbook and buy a plane (or 2)!!

I was against having our own AF but have changed my mind. Most of the major programs in fact have their jets for recruiting for legitimate reasons. We need to compete with all the top schools if we want to succeed. Time is the enemy when recruiting and the faster our coaches can get to prospective recruits the better. Also doesn't hurt our image to have a private jet that's ID'd as Huskers........... All sorts of creative financial ways of making a private jet work for UNL imo...
 
Nebraska is still "old school" when it comes to digging deep in their pockets unless it's mostly infrastructure. We really could hire whomever we want when it comes to the money side of things. What the administration seems to miss is how long will our current "win nothing" in the past 13 years eventually completely erode the program of this value? In a sense they are letting things regress while kicking the can down the road! Where will the program be in another 10 years of this bunk of saying.. just wait until next year. Bo gets a mulligan next season ok... we all get that part! Now I'm saying IF we can't get over the hump of actually winning the conference or making a BCS bowl then some hard decision need to be made imo.............

Exactly my point:

If Bo Pelini costs you $3 mil a year but throws off a bottom line of $35 mil, that's pretty good.

But if Nick Saban costs you $10 mil but throws off a bottom line of $50 mil...

Which coach is the most expensive?

Im not a mathematician but the answer is pretty obvious.

Maybe the NU athletics admin should attend a freshman economics class before semester break. Oh wait too late.

Great post. It doesn't appear to be rocket science to me!
 
For the population base in Nebraska, the university enjoys amazing support. Nebraska's brand certainly is solid within the state.
 



For the population base in Nebraska, the university enjoys amazing support. Nebraska's brand certainly is solid within the state.
To illustrate your point... NJ has a population of 8.7 million while Nebraska has 1.8 million. Looking at that you'd think Rutgers has a huge advantage but in reality they do not. That's because so few people in New Jersey support their football program in any manner. They simply DO NOT care about college football in general and Rutgers specifically! The exact opposite takes place in Nebraska with high fan participation in so many different ways. It's why Nebraska is a one of the top revenue producers even with very low population density.

Simply having a large population base doesn't guarantee a school a great influx of revenue imo...........
 
Exactly my point:

If Bo Pelini costs you $3 mil a year but throws off a bottom line of $35 mil, that's pretty good.

But if Nick Saban costs you $10 mil but throws off a bottom line of $50 mil...

Which coach is the most expensive?

Im not a mathematician but the answer is pretty obvious.

Maybe the NU athletics admin should attend a freshman economics class before semester break. Oh wait too late.

Perhaps they're thinking there's not that much upside. I don't see how hiring the "Saban"-type coach could possibly bump profit from $35 to $50 million. The stadium is already sold out, so there's no more money to be made there. Bowl revenue is split among the Big Ten pretty equally--same with TV money (that's why we left the Big 12). So, if we go from winning 9 games a year to winning 11-12 and playing in a couple BCS games or even winning a title, how much extra money would the program receive? Even if we become a powerhouse again, I doubt merchandise sales would increase dramatically. Every NU fan already buys a lot of merchandise and unlike Miami/FSU/Alabama, I don't think random kids in other states are going to buy our merch if we start winning (a lot of factors there--conservative image, tradition, remoteness, low population, etc.)

ND makes a lot of money because of a national brand and is independent. All its extra money stays with it. Texas has its own network and thus its own growable revenue stream. Aside from contributing to a growing Big Ten pie, I don't see how hiring a "better" coach could contribute much directly to NU's bottom line, and that makes a big assumption: that there's a coach would would definitely move NU to the next level on a regular and/or permanent basis. I don't think there is.

A large part of why Michigan and Ohio State are worth more than NU financially is because their stadiums hold significantly more people. 8 home games x 10-20,000 more people at $100+ per in ticket and concession sales per is like $12,000,000 a year. Give them each a 90,000 seat stadium and I bet we'd all be equal. I'd love to know the breakdown, but I bet that's true. PSU only went down dramatically because of losing ticket sales, donations, etc. and paying settlements related to Sandusky.

Bottom line, the Big Ten is a family (or a socialist system if you prefer). I think that is great for NU. But it means that there is nothing we can do (short of adding 15,000 seats) that would dramatically increase the "value" of our team (if that even matters). If the Big Ten as a whole gets better and TV and bowl money increases, all the Big Ten teams benefit together. The benefit is, even if NU slipped, it would be shielded from potentially disastrous financial side effects. And if we're all sharing revenue, stadium income is the only differentiator.
 

I'd also add that tOSU, Michigan, Wisconsin and PSU also derive more revenue (I'd guess) from merchandise sales to much greater student and alumni populations. Those schools have in some cases 2.5x more students than NU. That means that many more kids and later alumni buying jackets, etc. Hard to catch up with that when their states have 5-10x more people generally. There's also that many more people to donate money to the university and football/athletic programs. There's also not insignificant student athletic fee income. I remember in school there was like a $50 athletic fee per year. If that all goes to the athletic department and NU has 19,000 undergrads and Michigan has 45,000, that's another $1.3 million a year.

In sum, it is pretty amazing that we are as high up that list as we are, but I don't see any way to get higher without expanding the stadium, which is now out of the question as far as I know. The only upside for NU is growing the Big Ten generally. Yes, we'll get a little more money any year we go to a big bowl game or national title, but that's marginal.

So, to make a long post longer, that administration may be thinking that spending $6 million more a year on a coach and a staff than we do now won't do anything but leave $6 million less to fund other athletics and/or pay out to the university. At best, assuming we hire a miracle coach, we might get a 10% return, so another $6 million spent might only be $5.4 million.
 
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