Zach Duval--the problem or only part of the problem?

[COG]

Zach Duval's Career as Head Strength Coach
				Total	Coach at	Coach's W/L %	Coach's W/L %
Year	Team	W/L Record	Wins	Games	the Time	with Duval	without Duval	Notes
2010​	Buffalo	2-10	2​	12​	Quinn	34.70%​	50.00%​	Misleading--only two games w/o Duval
2011​	Buffalo	3-9	3​	12​	Quinn
2012​	Buffalo	4-8	4​	12​	Quinn
2013​	Buffalo	8-5	8​	13​	Quinn
2014​	Wyoming	4-8	4​	12​	Bohl	33.33%​	47.05%​	32 Wins, 68 total games w/o Duval
2015​	Wyoming	2-10	2​	12​	Bohl
2016​	UCF	6-7	6​	13​	Frost	53.40%​	53.40%​	Tied to the hip!
2017​	UCF	13-0	13​	13​	Frost
2018​	Nebraska	4-8	4​	12​	Frost
2019​	Nebraska	5-7	5​	12​	Frost
2020​	Nebraska	3-4	3​	7​	Frost
			54​	130​		Win % of Programs with Duval as Strength Coach: 41.5%

I was curious to see if there was any correlation of our lack of success to that of Zach Duval's training style. I've read many times how we do things differently from successful teams, but I really have no idea if one technique is better than another. Hard to draw any conclusions from the above--just not enough data outside of maybe Craig Bohl's record.

What would be interesting to see but I don't have the time resources to do it--how do teams trained by Zach Duval perform in the 2nd half of football games over his entire career? His teams' 2nd half scoring compared to opponents 2nd half scoring. I have nothing to back this up but a "feels like to me" opinion--Nebraska has been dreadful in the 2nd half under Frost. If that is true, can there be a correlation drawn to Duval and the other teams he has trained? Unfortunately that would take a game by game analysis for 130 games. The data is there, my time allotment for research is not.

 

[The Impaler]

Zach Duval's Career as Head Strength Coach
				Total	Coach at	Coach's W/L %	Coach's W/L %
Year	Team	W/L Record	Wins	Games	the Time	with Duval	without Duval	Notes
2010​	Buffalo	2-10	2​	12​	Quinn	34.70%​	50.00%​	Misleading--only two games w/o Duval
2011​	Buffalo	3-9	3​	12​	Quinn
2012​	Buffalo	4-8	4​	12​	Quinn
2013​	Buffalo	8-5	8​	13​	Quinn
2014​	Wyoming	4-8	4​	12​	Bohl	33.33%​	47.05%​	32 Wins, 68 total games w/o Duval
2015​	Wyoming	2-10	2​	12​	Bohl
2016​	UCF	6-7	6​	13​	Frost	53.40%​	53.40%​	Tied to the hip!
2017​	UCF	13-0	13​	13​	Frost
2018​	Nebraska	4-8	4​	12​	Frost
2019​	Nebraska	5-7	5​	12​	Frost
2020​	Nebraska	3-4	3​	7​	Frost
			54​	130​		Win % of Programs with Duval as Strength Coach: 41.5%

I was curious to see if there was any correlation of our lack of success to that of Zach Duval's training style. I've read many times how we do things differently from successful teams, but I really have no idea if one technique is better than another. Hard to draw any conclusions from the above--just not enough data outside of maybe Craig Bohl's record.

What would be interesting to see but I don't have the time resources to do it--how do teams trained by Zach Duval perform in the 2nd half of football games over his entire career? His teams' 2nd half scoring compared to opponents 2nd half scoring. I have nothing to back this up but a "feels like to me" opinion--Nebraska has been dreadful in the 2nd half under Frost. If that is true, can there be a correlation drawn to Duval and the other teams he has trained? Unfortunately that would take a game by game analysis for 130 games. The data is there, my time allotment for research is not.

The "feels like to me" is more NU has been dreadful in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, and better in 1st and 4th quarters. But my memory isn't what it used to be.

 

[LurkSker44]

Zach Duval's Career as Head Strength Coach
				Total	Coach at	Coach's W/L %	Coach's W/L %
Year	Team	W/L Record	Wins	Games	the Time	with Duval	without Duval	Notes
2010​	Buffalo	2-10	2​	12​	Quinn	34.70%​	50.00%​	Misleading--only two games w/o Duval
2011​	Buffalo	3-9	3​	12​	Quinn
2012​	Buffalo	4-8	4​	12​	Quinn
2013​	Buffalo	8-5	8​	13​	Quinn
2014​	Wyoming	4-8	4​	12​	Bohl	33.33%​	47.05%​	32 Wins, 68 total games w/o Duval
2015​	Wyoming	2-10	2​	12​	Bohl
2016​	UCF	6-7	6​	13​	Frost	53.40%​	53.40%​	Tied to the hip!
2017​	UCF	13-0	13​	13​	Frost
2018​	Nebraska	4-8	4​	12​	Frost
2019​	Nebraska	5-7	5​	12​	Frost
2020​	Nebraska	3-4	3​	7​	Frost
			54​	130​		Win % of Programs with Duval as Strength Coach: 41.5%

I was curious to see if there was any correlation of our lack of success to that of Zach Duval's training style. I've read many times how we do things differently from successful teams, but I really have no idea if one technique is better than another. Hard to draw any conclusions from the above--just not enough data outside of maybe Craig Bohl's record.

What would be interesting to see but I don't have the time resources to do it--how do teams trained by Zach Duval perform in the 2nd half of football games over his entire career? His teams' 2nd half scoring compared to opponents 2nd half scoring. I have nothing to back this up but a "feels like to me" opinion--Nebraska has been dreadful in the 2nd half under Frost. If that is true, can there be a correlation drawn to Duval and the other teams he has trained? Unfortunately that would take a game by game analysis for 130 games. The data is there, my time allotment for research is not.

That's a little disturbing seeing the data put together like that. Thanks for taking the time. I would say only part of the problem though.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

So, Quinn , Bohl and SF dont know what theyre doing?

 

[ShortSideOption]

I have stated many times on this board that Duval has 9 losing seasons in 11 tries as a strength coach, and has only been hired or suggested for jobs by ex-Huskers.

 

[Boji Husker]

Frost knows what works, and knows Duval is the right man for the job. His record speaks for itself.

 

[ksuhusker]

I have stated many times on this board that Duval has 9 losing seasons in 11 tries as a strength coach, and has only been hired or suggested for jobs by ex-Huskers.

I suppose he's too hard headed to learn a new style, or implement new things?

 

[ShortSideOption]

I suppose he's too hard headed to learn a new style, or implement new things?

To be fair to him, when your boss wants Husker Power you really don't try to change it. You just keep doing what you do.

If we go bigger WRs, more north/south running, less spread you out, it may be able to work.

 

[Huskerfan69]

THIS is one reason NU is where it is.. we continue to hire individuals with losing records.

Frost was a step up, we thought/believed. Time to show it, no more freaking excuses!

 

[Frosty1980]

What have you seen from our players to indicate there’s an issue? Can you point to guys that are to bulky or have lost speed? I don’t know enough about it to have a real solid opinion. That’s why I would like examples of guys that are getting worse from S&C.

 

[FBWHEEL]

Interesting.....so what was it that led to him being the S&C coach of the year in 2017? It couldn't have just been UCF going 13-0?

 

[Tenafly Tiger]

Zach Duval's Career as Head Strength Coach
				Total	Coach at	Coach's W/L %	Coach's W/L %
Year	Team	W/L Record	Wins	Games	the Time	with Duval	without Duval	Notes
2010​	Buffalo	2-10	2​	12​	Quinn	34.70%​	50.00%​	Misleading--only two games w/o Duval
2011​	Buffalo	3-9	3​	12​	Quinn
2012​	Buffalo	4-8	4​	12​	Quinn
2013​	Buffalo	8-5	8​	13​	Quinn
2014​	Wyoming	4-8	4​	12​	Bohl	33.33%​	47.05%​	32 Wins, 68 total games w/o Duval
2015​	Wyoming	2-10	2​	12​	Bohl
2016​	UCF	6-7	6​	13​	Frost	53.40%​	53.40%​	Tied to the hip!
2017​	UCF	13-0	13​	13​	Frost
2018​	Nebraska	4-8	4​	12​	Frost
2019​	Nebraska	5-7	5​	12​	Frost
2020​	Nebraska	3-4	3​	7​	Frost
			54​	130​		Win % of Programs with Duval as Strength Coach: 41.5%

I was curious to see if there was any correlation of our lack of success to that of Zach Duval's training style. I've read many times how we do things differently from successful teams, but I really have no idea if one technique is better than another. Hard to draw any conclusions from the above--just not enough data outside of maybe Craig Bohl's record.

What would be interesting to see but I don't have the time resources to do it--how do teams trained by Zach Duval perform in the 2nd half of football games over his entire career? His teams' 2nd half scoring compared to opponents 2nd half scoring. I have nothing to back this up but a "feels like to me" opinion--Nebraska has been dreadful in the 2nd half under Frost. If that is true, can there be a correlation drawn to Duval and the other teams he has trained? Unfortunately that would take a game by game analysis for 130 games. The data is there, my time allotment for research is not.

To answers your question, he's certainly part of the problem, in my opinion, and I think a big part of the problem.

 

[THERAHUSKER]

I think we have covered this well in other threads but yes, things could be better. Husker Power does not make better athletes just stronger ones. Stronger ones that may not be strong in movements that you need to be a good football player. I am not for sure exactly what they are doing but being in that industry, it is definitely not cutting edge (just not as effective as is should/could be). The training and also the therapy protocols for injury rehab and prevention are where a huge problem appears to be. Many of these injuries should not take that long to heal from, if you have the right methodologies and technology.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Next time Duval hires his next HC, he needs to do better

 

[ShortSideOption]

Interesting.....so what was it that led to him being the S&C coach of the year in 2017? It couldn't have just been UCF going 13-0?

That's exactly what it was. Same thing that led Frost to coach of the year in 2017.