Discipline is a component of talent, IMO.It is often times, but it is also often a reflection of overall team discipline and not talent.
Discipline is a component of talent, IMO.
Agree. In past years that combination was lacking.While I would certainly place a higher value on discipline than many other talent evaluators, they are not mutually exclusive. It does mean something to me to have a disciplined player, but the talent component is really independent. You get both talent and self motivated, disciplined players and you have something special.
Would you agree tho that type of offense can dictate amount of penalties as much as discipline (or lack of)?Discipline is a component of talent, IMO.
Ok, agreed. Talented players have discipline as part of their game.Would you agree tho that type of offense can dictate amount of penalties as much as discipline (or lack of)?
While I was told to let UCF go, I still think we can take a look at what happened there:
Nebraska 2018 119th 7.9 PPG
UCF 2017 127th 8.4 PPG
UCF 2016 105th 7.2 PPG
Interestingly, penalties actually got worse year 2 in their undefeated year. Kind of crazy to look at. I think with the fast-paced offense we run, holding, false starts, illegal formations are going to happen 3 or 4 times a game.
What's interesting, is Central Florida in 2016 actually ran 76.2 plays per game, for 38th in the country. The year after when they went undefeated, they actually slowed down a bit and had 72.4 plays per game for 58th in the country.
Now, that's just stats in a vacuum. Could they have scored quicker? Defense was possibly worse and on the field longer? Lots of factors lead to less plays. But I thought with them getting "worse" in the penalties per game category that we would see an uptick in how fast they went since people were more familiar with the offense. That proved wrong on my end. I wonder what will happen with Nebraska 2019, Nebraska was 36th in the country last year with 75.3 plays per game. Will we dial it down a bit? Will we score easier to take it down? Or will we legitimately go faster and get closer to 80 plays per game?
Long story short, I think penalties are a part of how we play. This isn't line up in iFormation and not commit a holding penalty ever like the 90s. When players get tired, their fundamentals go to poop. I think that's what happens a bit to us.
Yes... I went into that in the post. Lots of variables.Just a thought, i’ll turn into a question, as I have no idea... could the offense have run faster in 2017 yet have run less plays per game, because the defense stayed on the field longer or didn’t generate as many stops? Also, did the offense generate more quick strike scores/big plays?
I didn’t see any UCF 2016 games, but did watch a few in 2017, and it seemed like Frost had around 4 paces for his offense. The standard stall/run the clock out; a test or setup pace where they ran like a normal huddle team, usually seen before the gas was applied; then I guess the standard “Frost” pace, or maybe the norm for a no huddle spread team that’s quicker then most or your average O; then there was the “jugular” speed, this didn’t come out a lot but when it did it lightning fast and exciting and they usually scored or got into scoring position in 3-4 plays. I never seen that last pace deployed at N yet, obviously deployed when they have a series of plays so well setup by earlier actions or personnel mismatches they are fully able to take advantage of.
Yes... I went into that in the post. Lots of variables.
While I was told to let UCF go, I still think we can take a look at what happened there:
Nebraska 2018 119th 7.9 PPG
UCF 2017 127th 8.4 PPG
UCF 2016 105th 7.2 PPG
Interestingly, penalties actually got worse year 2 in their undefeated year. Kind of crazy to look at. I think with the fast-paced offense we run, holding, false starts, illegal formations are going to happen 3 or 4 times a game.
What's interesting, is Central Florida in 2016 actually ran 76.2 plays per game, for 38th in the country. The year after when they went undefeated, they actually slowed down a bit and had 72.4 plays per game for 58th in the country.
Now, that's just stats in a vacuum. Could they have scored quicker? Defense was possibly worse and on the field longer? Lots of factors lead to less plays. But I thought with them getting "worse" in the penalties per game category that we would see an uptick in how fast they went since people were more familiar with the offense. That proved wrong on my end. I wonder what will happen with Nebraska 2019, Nebraska was 36th in the country last year with 75.3 plays per game. Will we dial it down a bit? Will we score easier to take it down? Or will we legitimately go faster and get closer to 80 plays per game?
Long story short, I think penalties are a part of how we play. This isn't line up in iFormation and not commit a holding penalty ever like the 90s. When players get tired, their fundamentals go to poop. I think that's what happens a bit to us.
Jesus.The bolded is not mutually exclusive. A team could go with a faster tempo (run the next play sooner on the play clock) but run fewer plays because they score in 4 plays instead of 6. If there are 14 possessions/game and the team averages 5 plays = 70 plays. Averaging 6 plays = 84 plays. Neither is an indicator of pace of play or speeding up the tempo, just of the total plays it takes to complete 14 possessions.
NU could actually go faster (and maybe UCF did) in year two, but run fewer plays....have to factor in TOP to draw a conclusion.