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Made one very simple conclusion after 3 games
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Thank you.
Folks can accept it or not, but the bottom line is that we probably don't even know what the O-line is being asked to do on many plays. O-line in this offense is an entirely different animal than O-line "back in the day." Would a Brenden Stai or a Rob Zatechka succeed in the current offense? OF COURSE. Does this offense need a Stai or Zatechka to be top shelf? Maybe not. Have a look at the UCF O-line in 2017. Serviceable, but not dominant by any means. How well did they do the job that this offense requires? Well enough to go 13-0.
Does this line need to improve? Yes. Name a position on the team that doesn't.
IMO, this conclusion is indeed very simple, to the point of being simplistic. 90% of our problems on the O-line? I disagree.
I've sort of been in this camp. But I re-watched the game and there were plays where our lineman missed assignments, busting the whole play. There was one where our right tackle ran straight ahead and just stood there, looking lost, while the DT AND DE just blew up the play.
We do need better Oline play. It's become more obvious to me.
Yeah, N Ill blitzed a lot, and with multiple positions at the same time.
The play call on the safety was not a smart call, for many reasons, but the glaring problem was Allen, the "weakest" blocking TE (IMO) was the one that needed to get the key block....he obviously failed miserably.
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My biggest frustration with the OL play is not that they get beat or miss a block, it's football and those things happen. My frustration is the number of plays where a lineman flat out doesn't block anyone. If you miss your first block, you gotta find someone else to block instead of running to the backers and being a spectator.
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Individual guys are missing assignments on some, if not most, plays. This is something we have seen for quite some time under multiple coaches. It doesnt take 5 guys to make a play look like an OL disaster, just 1.
As communication and repetition improve, so will the % of busts drop. Marginal improvement in this area and I think we’ll see a big difference, may take a few games. We have two really young guys in the middle. We need the older guys to lock down their crap tight and get these guys on the same page.
As communication and repetition improve, so will the % of busts drop. Marginal improvement in this area and I think we’ll see a big difference, may take a few games. We have two really young guys in the middle. We need the older guys to lock down their crap tight and get these guys on the same page.
It's a lot of things. As mentioned above, we don't know what the O line assignments are... But when I see a tackle standing straight up in the middle of nowhere, while a defender loops around unimpeded to the QB, that's a problem. On both lines, we have guys who need to get their eyes up and see where the defenders are coming from (on offense) or where the ball is (on D).
That said, the O line is improving. It takes a while for 5 guys, 7 guys, 11 guys to get together and work as one unit -- especially considering where they started. Enough pieces are missing from last year's team that you can't just plug and play.
Take Dedrick for example. He had to "slow down to speed up". Take an extra half-second to see where the hole opens up. The interaction between the RB and O line is going to take a while at game speed, before everyone is on the same page.
It's kind of a chicken-or-egg thing among the first 3 posts. It's not all on the O line, but everything starts with the O line. Like the center snaps. Throw off the timing, and you spend the rest of the play trying to recover -- hopefully before an attacking D gets you for a loss.
I haven't given up hope for a B1G West championship, and last night gives me more hope. But it's also quite obvious that we have a long way to go to even get to the level of Solich's worst team. Think about that. We have a team full of guys who have a lot of potential, but none of them really know how to win consistently at this level. Fortunately, we have the right leadership to show them the way. It just might take a lot longer to get there than the internet generation (including me) expects.
That said, the O line is improving. It takes a while for 5 guys, 7 guys, 11 guys to get together and work as one unit -- especially considering where they started. Enough pieces are missing from last year's team that you can't just plug and play.
Take Dedrick for example. He had to "slow down to speed up". Take an extra half-second to see where the hole opens up. The interaction between the RB and O line is going to take a while at game speed, before everyone is on the same page.
It's kind of a chicken-or-egg thing among the first 3 posts. It's not all on the O line, but everything starts with the O line. Like the center snaps. Throw off the timing, and you spend the rest of the play trying to recover -- hopefully before an attacking D gets you for a loss.
I haven't given up hope for a B1G West championship, and last night gives me more hope. But it's also quite obvious that we have a long way to go to even get to the level of Solich's worst team. Think about that. We have a team full of guys who have a lot of potential, but none of them really know how to win consistently at this level. Fortunately, we have the right leadership to show them the way. It just might take a lot longer to get there than the internet generation (including me) expects.
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Oh, and the TE not blocking anyone... That was the most frustrating thing about the missed assignments last night. But I think the TEs were asked to do some new things this week, while it was mostly more of the same for the interior line. We'll get there.
Good post, I agree.
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patience, they were better than last week. there were some actual holes sealed off, the threat was there. vedral looked like he knows how to run the offense, of course against and with alot of subs. d-line had me smiling
My bet is IL defense will be drooling before the game is over next Saturday..
