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From the home page...Alliance announcement today (likely)!

I was listening to sports talk radio show here in Cheeseland and they were talking about college football and the transition it will take over the next few years. One analyst suggested that the B1G will rather than try and go head-to-head athletically with the SEC will go the “academic” route … it will shed some of its lesser academic institutions and seek out Duke, Cal, Virginia, Stanford possibly Vanderbilt and create an athletic conference born out of the elite academic institutions in America.

Certainly there is tone of arrogance, as the pickle-headed pinhead thinks Wisconsin belongs in the same sentence as some of those institutions but the conversation really had a rational edge to it … why fight the big bad bully head-to-head … you are bound to lose more than you win … but if you fight with your strengths (academics is certainly one of them) you might win more than you lose.

My biggest concern is that if they had to “shed” some of the lesser academic institutions to add some of these others then who do you think is at the top of that list?

It was an interesting conversation. Get past the emotion it isn’t one that is absurd.
From a money perspective it is a loser.
 
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Until I see some huge schedule changes regarding upcoming basketball seasons because football schedules are made so far out…I am in wait and see mode on the “alliance”.
 







From a money perspective it is a loser.
You mean the Ivy League doesn't have the most lucrative television deal? :Biggrin:
Don’t be so myopic that you see only what you want to see … there is more money involved than just athletics … it isn’t a coincidence that Stanford for example is one of the most endowed schools in the world.

The B1G still has at the moment the most lucrative TV contract per school than anyone … there is a reason for that … it’s the brands they represent not just the TV footprint.

What brand would you rather have? Duke or Miss State? Stanford or South Carolina? Penn State or Arkansas? Yes, Alabama, Florida, Georgia attract eyes but if a conference or an alliance offered a deeper set of brands it might not be able to compete with ‘Bama-Georgia but aTm-Vanderbilt doesn’t necessary move the needle.
 
Rick Neuheisel broke it down very well on the ESPNU SiriusXM show he's on. This was a couple weeks ago after the UT/OU move to the SEC. His point was essentially that most of college football is leaving something like 16-25% of their potential revenue on the table because they have 2-3 out-of-conference games that are of ZERO interest to television viewers. Sure, you have the occasional cinderella upset, but outside of a very small hard core of fans, no one is interested in watching Alabama v. Mercer, or Nebraska v. South Dakota State, or Ohio State v. Tulsa (or Akron). Multiply that times the top, say, 20-25 "#BRANDS" in college football who have some general audience television draw, and you have 40-75 games a year that are worthless to Fox or ESPN. Totally worthless. They may be worth a lot to the hosting "big" school and the town around it in terms of ticket sales, restaurants, bars, hotels, etc., but for the TV partners who pay the bills, those games are nothing. Worse than nothing really.

The problem with Texas and OU was that, no matter how good Okie State or ISU is in a given year, their entire conference schedule outside the Red River Rivarly fell into the essentially worthless category.

Think of how Notre Dame overcomes this as an independent by scheduling a lot of other "#BRANDS" (USC, etc.)

What the SEC is doing is creating a conference schedule (that will likely go to 9 or 10) games with far more big, valuable games for ESPN and CBS, than any other conference can offer. Add 1 "good" out-of-conference game on top of that and that's why their new contract will be so valuable.

Rick went on to say that the B1G doesn't need to raid the PAC-12, Clemson and Florida State don't need to leave the ACC, and the PAC-12 doesn't need to kick out Oregon State or add Kansas State. Rather, to "combat" the SEC they need to create more valuable games from a television perspective. And, according to Rick, they can do that by a scheduling alliance. Then they renegotiate their own conference contracts based on that scheduling alliance. It is not a battle with the SEC. It's not even a zero sum game. All they need to do to keep up with the SEC from a revenue perspective is take 2 of the 3 out-of-conference games, or maybe 3 of 3 and schedule them against other major conference teams. Yes, they are not all good teams that will draw casual fans, but playing Washington State or Syracuse is a better TV game than playing Troy or Southern Illinois. By a lot.

The Big Ten and PAC-12 don't need to merge and lose their own conferences or kick out their lesser teams to do this as we now see. They just need to schedule each other.

Once we start seeing USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, and Stanford start regularly playing Wisconsin, Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, and Clemson, Florida State and Miami, the value of each of their conference TV contracts will increase "BIGLY."

He was baffled why this doesn't get more attention because it is so obvious. It's like the idea of 2-3 OOC games being against "cupcakes" is so ingrained in the sport for major teams that no one thinks about it.

By doing this the B1G, PAC-12, and ACC are going to each create 24-42 more games involving two major conference teams. Of those, 15 are going to involve games where both teams are "#BRAND" which are marquee TV ratings games. It makes for FAR more big college football games all year round.

And it is mutually beneficial. The PAC-12 benefits from a USC-Michigan OOC game just as much if not more than the B1G. The ACC benefits from Florida State v. Nebraska than another game against Swofford.

This is a simple, elegant solution. It will box out the SEC unless they can squeeze in to one of the remaining single OOC games that will be left.

They say contracts will be honored, but schools will start buying them out to make this happen faster and more frequently.

It will really hurt the North Dakota State, Ohio, Ball State, etc. but that is the way it is. Likewise, the remainder of the Big 12 is going to be permanently relegated to AAC status. That is too bad, but no amount of creative thinking is going to give Baylor or Kansas State a bigger alumni base or a TV market that cares about them.

This alliance is a great idea and it leaves the conferences intact and stable. Olympic/non-revenue sports can continue with their conference schedules as normal.

Neuheisel thought of it first. (Say what you will about him.)
 
Rick Neuheisel broke it down very well on the ESPNU SiriusXM show he's on. This was a couple weeks ago after the UT/OU move to the SEC. His point was essentially that most of college football is leaving something like 16-25% of their potential revenue on the table because they have 2-3 out-of-conference games that are of ZERO interest to television viewers. Sure, you have the occasional cinderella upset, but outside of a very small hard core of fans, no one is interested in watching Alabama v. Mercer, or Nebraska v. South Dakota State, or Ohio State v. Tulsa (or Akron). Multiply that times the top, say, 20-25 "#BRANDS" in college football who have some general audience television draw, and you have 40-75 games a year that are worthless to Fox or ESPN. Totally worthless. They may be worth a lot to the hosting "big" school and the town around it in terms of ticket sales, restaurants, bars, hotels, etc., but for the TV partners who pay the bills, those games are nothing. Worse than nothing really.

The problem with Texas and OU was that, no matter how good Okie State or ISU is in a given year, their entire conference schedule outside the Red River Rivarly fell into the essentially worthless category.

Think of how Notre Dame overcomes this as an independent by scheduling a lot of other "#BRANDS" (USC, etc.)

What the SEC is doing is creating a conference schedule (that will likely go to 9 or 10) games with far more big, valuable games for ESPN and CBS, than any other conference can offer. Add 1 "good" out-of-conference game on top of that and that's why their new contract will be so valuable.

Rick went on to say that the B1G doesn't need to raid the PAC-12, Clemson and Florida State don't need to leave the ACC, and the PAC-12 doesn't need to kick out Oregon State or add Kansas State. Rather, to "combat" the SEC they need to create more valuable games from a television perspective. And, according to Rick, they can do that by a scheduling alliance. Then they renegotiate their own conference contracts based on that scheduling alliance. It is not a battle with the SEC. It's not even a zero sum game. All they need to do to keep up with the SEC from a revenue perspective is take 2 of the 3 out-of-conference games, or maybe 3 of 3 and schedule them against other major conference teams. Yes, they are not all good teams that will draw casual fans, but playing Washington State or Syracuse is a better TV game than playing Troy or Southern Illinois. By a lot.

The Big Ten and PAC-12 don't need to merge and lose their own conferences or kick out their lesser teams to do this as we now see. They just need to schedule each other.

Once we start seeing USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, and Stanford start regularly playing Wisconsin, Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, and Clemson, Florida State and Miami, the value of each of their conference TV contracts will increase "BIGLY."

He was baffled why this doesn't get more attention because it is so obvious. It's like the idea of 2-3 OOC games being against "cupcakes" is so ingrained in the sport for major teams that no one thinks about it.

By doing this the B1G, PAC-12, and ACC are going to each create 24-42 more games involving two major conference teams. Of those, 15 are going to involve games where both teams are "#BRAND" which are marquee TV ratings games. It makes for FAR more big college football games all year round.

And it is mutually beneficial. The PAC-12 benefits from a USC-Michigan OOC game just as much if not more than the B1G. The ACC benefits from Florida State v. Nebraska than another game against Swofford.

This is a simple, elegant solution. It will box out the SEC unless they can squeeze in to one of the remaining single OOC games that will be left.

They say contracts will be honored, but schools will start buying them out to make this happen faster and more frequently.

It will really hurt the North Dakota State, Ohio, Ball State, etc. but that is the way it is. Likewise, the remainder of the Big 12 is going to be permanently relegated to AAC status. That is too bad, but no amount of creative thinking is going to give Baylor or Kansas State a bigger alumni base or a TV market that cares about them.

This alliance is a great idea and it leaves the conferences intact and stable. Olympic/non-revenue sports can continue with their conference schedules as normal.

Neuheisel thought of it first. (Say what you will about him.)
I enjoyed that explanation! I hope it does bring the revenue they anticipate because that’s the only thing that stops super conferences in my opinion.
 



Rick Neuheisel broke it down very well on the ESPNU SiriusXM show he's on. This was a couple weeks ago after the UT/OU move to the SEC. His point was essentially that most of college football is leaving something like 16-25% of their potential revenue on the table because they have 2-3 out-of-conference games that are of ZERO interest to television viewers. Sure, you have the occasional cinderella upset, but outside of a very small hard core of fans, no one is interested in watching Alabama v. Mercer, or Nebraska v. South Dakota State, or Ohio State v. Tulsa (or Akron). Multiply that times the top, say, 20-25 "#BRANDS" in college football who have some general audience television draw, and you have 40-75 games a year that are worthless to Fox or ESPN. Totally worthless. They may be worth a lot to the hosting "big" school and the town around it in terms of ticket sales, restaurants, bars, hotels, etc., but for the TV partners who pay the bills, those games are nothing. Worse than nothing really.

The problem with Texas and OU was that, no matter how good Okie State or ISU is in a given year, their entire conference schedule outside the Red River Rivarly fell into the essentially worthless category.

Think of how Notre Dame overcomes this as an independent by scheduling a lot of other "#BRANDS" (USC, etc.)

What the SEC is doing is creating a conference schedule (that will likely go to 9 or 10) games with far more big, valuable games for ESPN and CBS, than any other conference can offer. Add 1 "good" out-of-conference game on top of that and that's why their new contract will be so valuable.

Rick went on to say that the B1G doesn't need to raid the PAC-12, Clemson and Florida State don't need to leave the ACC, and the PAC-12 doesn't need to kick out Oregon State or add Kansas State. Rather, to "combat" the SEC they need to create more valuable games from a television perspective. And, according to Rick, they can do that by a scheduling alliance. Then they renegotiate their own conference contracts based on that scheduling alliance. It is not a battle with the SEC. It's not even a zero sum game. All they need to do to keep up with the SEC from a revenue perspective is take 2 of the 3 out-of-conference games, or maybe 3 of 3 and schedule them against other major conference teams. Yes, they are not all good teams that will draw casual fans, but playing Washington State or Syracuse is a better TV game than playing Troy or Southern Illinois. By a lot.

The Big Ten and PAC-12 don't need to merge and lose their own conferences or kick out their lesser teams to do this as we now see. They just need to schedule each other.

Once we start seeing USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, and Stanford start regularly playing Wisconsin, Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, and Clemson, Florida State and Miami, the value of each of their conference TV contracts will increase "BIGLY."

He was baffled why this doesn't get more attention because it is so obvious. It's like the idea of 2-3 OOC games being against "cupcakes" is so ingrained in the sport for major teams that no one thinks about it.

By doing this the B1G, PAC-12, and ACC are going to each create 24-42 more games involving two major conference teams. Of those, 15 are going to involve games where both teams are "#BRAND" which are marquee TV ratings games. It makes for FAR more big college football games all year round.

And it is mutually beneficial. The PAC-12 benefits from a USC-Michigan OOC game just as much if not more than the B1G. The ACC benefits from Florida State v. Nebraska than another game against Swofford.

This is a simple, elegant solution. It will box out the SEC unless they can squeeze in to one of the remaining single OOC games that will be left.

They say contracts will be honored, but schools will start buying them out to make this happen faster and more frequently.

It will really hurt the North Dakota State, Ohio, Ball State, etc. but that is the way it is. Likewise, the remainder of the Big 12 is going to be permanently relegated to AAC status. That is too bad, but no amount of creative thinking is going to give Baylor or Kansas State a bigger alumni base or a TV market that cares about them.

This alliance is a great idea and it leaves the conferences intact and stable. Olympic/non-revenue sports can continue with their conference schedules as normal.

Neuheisel thought of it first. (Say what you will about him.)
Not sure Ricky thought of it. Probably just got a peak behind the curtain before it was public. They used him as a useful idiot to get a feel for what people think.

That said...I think this also helps recruiting. The best recruits want to play tough schedules. This will take the bloom off the SEC rose.
 
I enjoyed that explanation! I hope it does bring the revenue they anticipate because that’s the only thing that stops super conferences in my opinion.
I think the elephant in the room is the teams in major conferences that are themselves of zero interest for TV. Despite our struggles, Nebraska remains not in that category. But despite their sporadic successes, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Rutgers, and Maryland are just not big draws and while not quite the same as lower tier "cupcake games" games with those teams are somewhat of a black hole in terms of a TV deal. You can say the same about Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Miss St., South Carolina. As well as Duke, Wake Forest, BC, and many more in the ACC. In the Pac-12 you have Oregon State, Washington State, Arizona, and maybe others.

So even with the alliance, I think you will continue to have the allure of a super conference along the lines of the recently failed European Super League. Essentially, you take the most lucrative 24-36 teams nationwide and create a college league/conference that has *ONLY* big games, all the time. Each of those schools would get $100 million or far more per year in TV revenue. But that would require blowing up all the major conferences and I just don't see any of them doing that. I think that would bring in the Justice Department, FCC, state legislatures, etc. into the picture.

Now, maybe in 10+ years after pay for play comes in and our cultural attitude about it changes, maybe that would be the case. But then, you might as well detach those football programs from their schools entirely. They lease the stadiums and facilities from the schools, keep their mascots, stay in the same town, but essentially become a Saturday pro league for young players. Just as there's no reason a college student can't work at Best Buy part time, they could work as a pro football player part time. The teams in such a super league could pay full freight tuition to the schools directly for each player or just drop the charade and have pro teams in Norman, Austin, Columbus, etc. that play on campus. Maybe the players are students there, maybe not. The appetite for football would probably support that financially, but it also might cause giant robots to roam the Earth.
 
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