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Do you trust the development with this staff? We are going to find out!

Discussion in 'Football' started by ShortSideOption, Feb 8, 2019.

  1. Goal-line

    Goal-line Junior Varsity 5 Year Member

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    I have been beating this horse to death (and received a lot of criticism on this forum) ever since joining this site. Great, not good or average, football teams are built from the inside out. Recruitng flash and dash guys will get you to a point, but to win championships, one must recruit and develop the line of scrimmage, both sides of the ball.
     
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  2. Huskerwisdom

    Huskerwisdom Recruit

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    It's hard to say and given that smarter people than me get paid a ton of money to think about this I don't know that I can improve on what they are thinking ;)

    That said. I think it's a few things

    1. OL play is a unit based group for performance. 2 great linemen with 3 lousy ones makes for a lousy OL
    2. Even the best HS conferences are going to have teams where the better teams will dominate them up front physically and with scheme, potentially making mediocre interior linemen look dominant
    3. Scheme from HS to college matters. A guy like Foster could be an excellent in a scheme with narrower splits, for instance. A guy who thrived in the old Denver scheme would struggle in the scheme Foster liked... and it's hard to project outside of the extremes
    4. More and more guys are looking physically maxed in HS now. Great in HS, but nothing left when they get to college
    5. The measureables are a good question. I like looking at shuttle times for the big, interior guys. Better shuttle usually means that short space agility, but some guys can be great at that and not move their feet good enough to not trip over the action on the inside of the line.

    It's tough, but that's a bit of why I like using the walk ons so much they add depth at the least, but a combo of numbers, Duval, Ellis and Austin might give us a huge leg up over the competition in that area
     
  3. AzHusker

    AzHusker All Legend 10 Year Member

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    Outstanding information! :thumbsup:
     
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  4. Ackos

    Ackos Heisman 15 Year Member

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    Iowas Numbers (I'm bored o_O )

    2011 .8923 (3)
    2017 .8912 (2)
    2010 .8871 (2)
    2019 .8761 (4)
    2015 .8653 (5)
    2018 .8649 (4)
    2013 .8628 (2)
    2016 .8357 (3)
    2012 .8235 (4)
    2014 .8198 (3)

    Overall Iowas best recruiting class was 2018; 39th nationally, 8th in the BIG
    In 2012, 13, and 17 Iowa had a OL recruit that had no rating. JUCO? Walkon?
     
  5. ShortSideOption

    ShortSideOption All Big 10 10 Year Member

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    I agree... here's something interesting for both sides to be able to stand on with "rankings matter" or they "don't matter".

    2014 got us Gates, Foster, and Farmer was our #1 year. That produced 3/3 multiple season starters for us. Conversely, 2011 is our 3rd best rankings which produced Tyler Moore, Reeves, Klachko, Sterup, and Price. Only Sterup mattered from that, so maybe rankings don't matter as much.

    Personally, I think our line didn't look dominant when it came to Riley's system, as our lack of stars showed. In a system like Beck or Frosts, our skill guys are going to make us look even better than our ratings because we are putting the defense in space and have athletic linemen. My prediction is guys like Fritzsche will play way above their rating.
     
  6. ShortSideOption

    ShortSideOption All Big 10 10 Year Member

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    My wife is making me go to some home and garden show... i'm bored too... let's combine these!

    2014 .8955 (3)
    2011 .8923 (3)
    2016 .8948 (4)
    2017 .8912 (2)
    2011 .8883 (5)
    2010 .8871 (2)
    2015 .8826 (3)
    2010 .8803 (4)

    2019 .8761 (4)
    2012 .8753 (2)
    2019 .8709 (4)

    2015 .8653 (5)
    2018 .8649 (4)
    2013 .8628 (2)

    2017 .8594 (4)
    2018 .8581 (1)
    2013 .8513 (5)

    2016 .8357 (3)
    2012 .8235 (4)
    2014 .8198 (3)

    Iowa with 6 of the worst 9 OL classes between the two programs, yet there's no arguing who is producing at a higher level despite Nebraska having 7 of the top 11 classes in this graphic. Coaching matters. And OL that are big enough to play usually don't just come in that big, at least they haven't at Iowa and Wisconsin (again, Wisky set the rushing record on us starting a kid on the OL that came in to play QB).
     
  7. huskrthill

    huskrthill Crap 5 Year Member

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    I agree with you. Not every player canbe a "project," but I'm ok with things right now. I think the staff knows what they want, and they're going after them.

    Just like with quarterbacks, not every lineman is going to fit what we want to do. If we miss on a 4-star lineman with great feet, maybe we take a chance on a slightly undersized but athletic 3-star instead of the other 4 star pass blocker with limited athleticism.
     
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  8. djlhuskerfan

    djlhuskerfan Junior Varsity 10 Year Member

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    I agree with building your team from inside out. But I think it will take 2-3 years of development for o-linemen to reach max potential. Hopefully we make big jumps year by year and I think we will. This year I hope to see us improve on third or fourth and shorts. It was big issue last year. Develop the lines and have the perfect qb for your system and you will be competing for championships
     
  9. Goal-line

    Goal-line Junior Varsity 5 Year Member

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    Balls to the wall correct.
     
  10. Bean

    Bean Grey Shirt 5 Year Member

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    Huskers are making serious gains in the weight room, and getting healthier too!
    https://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/recruiting/signing-day/huskers-are-making-serious-gains-in-the-weight-room-and/article_0399b8a7-9592-5860-be68-5464d3caa7ff.html

    HCSF and Duvall are going to get us there.
     
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  11. ShortSideOption

    ShortSideOption All Big 10 10 Year Member

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  12. Greatest Fan of All

    Greatest Fan of All The Legend 10 Year Member

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    Hard to believe, but some posters will be concerned about an article that says our players are bigger, faster, stronger, having fun, and have greater comraderie. For those, anything jointly out of S&C/SF may be part 2 of the marketing campaign they sold us last year. Frankly, I'm enthused to hear of all the progress...but, I'm all in with SF and Duval.
     
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  13. LarstheRed

    LarstheRed Junior Varsity 5 Year Member

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    I was watching ESPN Classic and they had a replay of one of the Texas Tech games against OU. I was noticing how different their linemen were looking by comparison to the D Line for OU. Long and pretty darn lean, and they had OU off balance the entire time. The pass blocking was good, especially because they weren’t expected to hold a pocket for an extended period. The run blocking was so fun to watch, because the Defense didn’t know where the blocks were going to come from. Angles and movement can mitigate some of the lack of mass it seemed.
     
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  14. Mack The Shark

    Mack The Shark Elite Poster 5 Year Member

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    The only thing you've been criticized for is your silly assertion that the staff can't recruit both skill players and linemen simultaneously. Literally no one is arguing with you that recruiting skilled linemen is essential, but you act like every staff at NU is only recruiting skill players and then you crap in threads where people are discussing non-line recruits. We go through this at least once a recruiting cycle with you.
     
  15. Bleed Red

    Bleed Red Red Shirt 2 Year Member

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    It will be interesting to watch going forward whether NU picks its QB 2-3 years ahead. Perhaps the staff thought AM was going to be really special and they better get the next couple guys committed and bought in before everyone figured that out?? If the 2021 QB isn't chosen before the 2020 season, maybe they are holding out for more of an elite player because AM isn't as likely to make that recruiting so difficult? And perhaps it won't be any different.
     

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