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Locked due to no posts in 60 days. Report 1st post if need unlocked Anyone drawn up our 2 deep, pre signing day roster for 2014 yet

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ShortSideOption said:
Stop....

They started like 7 games between the 3 of them...

Take off your blinders for like 2 seconds please...
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While I appreciate your insight and objectivism, I am with SoCal. My blinders are always on.

You think Drew will beat out Bondi for fg/ep? That will be a good battle.
 
ShortSideOption said:
Stop....

They started like 7 games between the 3 of them...

Take off your blinders for like 2 seconds please...
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But they all have significant playing time experience ... even in games they did not start. They played key minutes in crunch time games and have enough experience. Are they "returning starters" - NO but they are not a bunch of inexperienced redshirts either.
 
ShortSideOption said:
OFFENSE


C - Pelini/Hannon
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I know Pelini returns, has experience and coaches have tended to give the nod towards an experienced senior at this position ... but do not forget about Ryan Reeves ... he's a kid I think will battle for this position!
 



wcbsas said:
But they all have significant playing time experience ... even in games they did not start. They played key minutes in crunch time games and have enough experience. Are they "returning starters" - NO but they are not a bunch of inexperienced redshirts either.
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Not saying they are inexperienced, but they should not be considered returning starters. Our last 5 games where the guys mentioned were important parts we had this for our total offense stat:

Georgia - 307
Iowa - 281
Penn State - 360
Michigan State - 392
Michigan - 273

Averaging 322.6 yards a game which would put us at a salty 106th in the nation. While it's not Defcon 1 time, lets not act like us getting all the guys back that essentially started our last 5 games is a wealth of experience and talent....
 
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Hopefully they have another option than Foltz at punter. He shanked way too many punts this year. Wouldn't take much to upgrade that position. I think the MNC game last night showed just how important a good punter can be to a team. But with our coaching staff's seemingly disregard for special teams, I'll bet they'll just stay with what they have.
 




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ShortSideOption said:
Base - McMullen/Keels
DT - Valentine/Collins
DT - Curry/Clinkscales
DE - Gregory/Natter
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Good Summary ***. And Thank You for not giving the automatic nod to newcomers like Keels and Clinkscales. I had to laugh last year when so many people had Finnin starting above two fifth-year seniors.

In your S&C thread, you talked about guys in our program getting beat out by JUCOs. I think McMullen will be a guy to watch in those regards. IMO, there is no a reason a guy like Keels should come in and beat hime out. McMullen has every advantage going into next season. Highly regarded athlete with 2 years in our S&C program and two years of experience in Bo's system.

Just curious, do you or anyone else know how Phil Steele determines returning starters? I wonder if 1 start = returning starter in his publications.
 
internet tg said:
Good Summary ***. And Thank You for not giving the automatic nod to newcomers like Keels and Clinkscales. I had to laugh last year when so many people had Finnin starting above two fifth-year seniors.

In your S&C thread, you talked about guys in our program getting beat out by JUCOs. I think McMullen will be a guy to watch in those regards. IMO, there is no a reason a guy like Keels should come in and beat hime out. McMullen has every advantage going into next season. Highly regarded athlete with 2 years in our S&C program and two years of experience in Bo's system.

Just curious, do you or anyone else know how Phil Steele determines returning starters? I wonder if 1 start = returning starter in his publications.
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I actually looked up how that is determined but didn't find much. For the most part it is just decided by the school I think. So while they could say next year we will have 4 out of 5 starters returning on the offensive line, we know that isn't true.

In regards to McMullen, I think he gets beat out next year if not by Keels, by Natter. He has not developed like I thought he would and he doesn't look as mobile as he should be, and we are trying to somewhat shift away from bulkier DEs. But like you said, there is no way in the world McMullen should get beat out by Keels, but I see it happening before the end of the season next year. I was real impressed with Moss and thought he was actually developing nicely, but then started watching him towards the end of the year and had to pump the brakes on my excitement for him. Clink probably won't be here next year so that hurts. Quite honestly, our DL is hurting next year in my opinion if all the things I'm hearing come true and I don't know if we can correct it this late in the recruiting cycle. Our front line will be darn good most likely, but we are an injury away from having a major hole that people can exploit. Hopefully they find another Collins late in the game. But for every Collins, there's a Mixon for the most part.
 
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ShortSideOption said:
Not saying they are inexperienced, but they should not be considered returning starters. Our last 5 games where the guys mentioned were important parts we had this for our total offense stat:

Georgia - 307
Iowa - 281
Penn State - 360
Michigan State - 392
Michigan - 273

Averaging 322.6 yards a game which would put us at a salty 106th in the nation. While it's not Defcon 1 time, lets not act like us getting all the guys back that essentially started our last 5 games is a wealth of experience and talent....
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Comon... You know that's not a fair way to compare and draw conclusions re: talent. That's a very solid total against MSU, Georgia was solid on D this year, iirc, and Penn St was in messy conditions.
 



cm husker said:
Comon... You know that's not a fair way to compare and draw conclusions re: talent. That's a very solid total against MSU, Georgia was solid on D this year, iirc, and Penn St was in messy conditions.
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How is how many yards we gained not a good way to look at talent?

I guess we better hope we don't play teams with solid D's next year? And what do you mean messy conditions at Penn State? It was snowing and not even sticking to the ground, it was slightly cold but nothing crazy. If by messy you mean ground not being effected at all, then you would be right. Here's a video, just skip to the end where it's the fourth quarter and look at the jerseys having zero mud on them, maybe a few grass stains. They outgained us that game, and the field was fine...

[video=youtube;DKNELqHZFjM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKNELqHZFjM[/video]
 
cm husker said:
Comon... You know that's not a fair way to compare and draw conclusions re: talent. That's a very solid total against MSU, Georgia was solid on D this year, iirc, and Penn St was in messy conditions.
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Georgia was 45th, allowing 375 yards/gm, so not horrible.

Out of the list *** presented, I think MSU was the only game we had more yards than what the other team allowed on average. This tells me more than the 106 hypothetical rank.

If Ameer leaves, the RB position will be worse. With Enunwa gone, I think the WR position will be worse. I think the OL will be similar to the line we saw at the end of the year, far worse than the opening day OL with Long. TE should be better. QB I hope would be better. We shall see.
 

internet tg said:
Georgia was 45th, allowing 375 yards/gm, so not horrible.

Out of the list *** presented, I think MSU was the only game we had more yards than what the other team allowed on average. This tells me more than the 106 hypothetical rank.

If Ameer leaves, the RB position will be worse. With Enunwa gone, I think the WR position will be worse. I think the OL will be similar to the line we saw at the end of the year, far worse than the opening day OL with Long. TE should be better. QB I hope would be better. We shall see.
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Agreed, I'm not saying by any stretch we are going to be horrible. But we have some holes to fill. We will have a redshirt freshmen emerge on the line to start even though I'm not putting his name there yet. Carter will be much better and we get a TE back this year that should have been playing along with Carter. We will be able to put up points, but I don't know if we are going to be "better" in 2014 than we were in 2013 offensively.

If we cut down on turnovers we will though...
 
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