You'll have to be more specific. I'm in my 40's which @huskernut would consider his youthAnybody have any good youth football stories?
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What does Vegas know that we don't know?
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I just spent the last 15 minutes catching up reading through this thread. Only thing I learned from it is that I won't get those 15 minutes back. Yikes. But I do feel like the moderator at the end of Billy Madison. How did he say it.... @Turd Ferguson do you have a gif handy???
It’s Nebraska -6 on my betting site now
What does Vegas know?
Just my opinion, but DR struggling with passing and a potential shoulder injury and UCLA being top 15 in rush defense, plus the weather all moved the line. I wouldn't touch this game money wise with a 10-foot pole.
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Rhule was asked this question and his response aligns with what I’ve been saying about the calls people label as ‘The wrong calls’ for most of my time watching football.
We called the screens in response to Ohio State being in man and showing pressure. We didn’t execute the perimeter blocking one on one’s to make them work, Ohio State did execute their coverage one on one’s to blow them up. Was it the right call for the defensive alignment Ohio State showed us? Yes. Am I OK with us continuing to make that call when we’ve repeatedly shown we can’t execute the play? No.
Options aren’t limited to the perimeter. Delayed draws are another option. Our pass pro has been a strength for the O line. A draw in man/pressure situations is another option. I don’t think we tried one. Would the results have been different? I don’t know. We don’t seem to ever gain positive yardage on a non dive/iso type play that starts behind the LOS. Maybe the draw would have been no different.
I think Rahmir has the best sense of timing, so there's that
I like most of our backs for different reasons, but we don’t seem to have one that can consistently 1) Make people miss or 2) Make YAC. Both are a problem when you start 5 yards behind the line.
We did have several conventional running plays Saturday where first contact was behind the LOS and we still got a small positive gain. That’s good. I do think the draw/delayed draw is something we should try, but we can’t telegraph it to much. We also need to be successful throwing the ball beyond the LOS when we’re seeing those man/pressure looks to keep the LB’s and Safeties honest. If they’re not sure what’s coming, the likelihood that something works goes way up.
Yep. 90% is the sell and the RB without the ball. DD is horrible, EJ learning/getting better.
I think if a guy is good at pass pro he's likely good at draws and screens.
Footwork, last second adjustments, selling it all has to happen.
Often you're reading your block/blocks while anticipating the ball, and its maybe half a shoulder of your blocker, who also has to share many of the same sells and positioning.
If the RB can sell that he’s in pass pro, you’ve got something. Ohio State burned us on a delayed route by their RB for a TD. He stays in to pass protect, chips his guy with a tackle and releases, and there isn’t anybody home to cover because the LB’s thought he took himself out of the play. I’ve seen us try similar designs, and they’re good plays, but our skill guys miss the chip or don’t sell it at all, or run into the back of the scrum and don’t ever make it beyond the LOS.
Still lots to work on in the execution end of things that will make play calling look entirely different. What we may need to focus on is how we’re trying to teach RB’s, TE’s and WR’s to perform each of the ‘Non ball carrying’ functions they are asked to perform on any given play. I’ve said it before, but we’re often in what I think is a great alignment versus a defense and we blow ourselves up. Ohio State has a really good defense, so that was a bit of a different animal.
I personally think the passing game would have to be more of a threat than it is right now to make a draw effective. And the ball would stay right where it is and not get outside. Ohio State probably could have defended it with the same rushers they were using.
Might have been worth a try but even if it worked I think it wouldn't work more than once, or served to loosen them up much.
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It’s possible.
When I watch what other teams are doing to our outside game, they’re often times over committing. OSU was able to blow it up with just the DB’s covering the outside receivers while keeping their LB’s home, but I’ve seen others react to the initial motion and an additional safety or LB commit to stopping the outside play.
On your last sentence, if it does work once, teams typically look for it again and it served it’s purpose. That’s partially what the screens are for. You want to play man and pressure? Ok. How’s this taste. Unfortunately until we can block that play, it tastes pretty good.
I don’t disagree at all.
We have to be able to successfully complete pass plays for 15+ yards (prior to YAC), or you’re going to keep seeing a lot of man and 8 in the box. One WR becomes a ‘We have to stop this guy’ type of player, and you’ve changed the game. One WR and Fidone become legit threats down the field and it opens up a lot more.
