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I've no idea how one makes such determinations as I dont have any insight into the mechanisms of practice that absolutely translate to gameday. I hear many decry play calling by Frost, and while not educated well enough to know whether such criticisms are valid, I hold the belief that simply observing a play not work is not necessarily evidence of a bad call. While I don't claim knowledge, I do claim the issue as complex.
What I can say with certainty is that Frost has had significant success calling plays. That he may or may not have here is immaterial. He isn't surrendering play calling because he's a dolt, he does so to free himself to tend to more global issues. But as Whipple as expressed respect for Frost's offensive acumen, it only stands to reason that there is similarity in football intellect.
I think it a mistake to see offensive structure and use as an either/or scenario, rather than the amalgam to two bright people whom both view as paramount the idea of "what works."
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Gotta say, if the guy at the top is responsible for all that occurs below, that responsibility is manifested in only by two means: either he gets people to do stuff, or he does the stuff himself. Your prescription, the head must roll, indicates your philosophy of the latter. Everything I have heard from Frost indicates him as an empowering type, not a micro-manager.
Thus I submit, the error Frost made was holding on to previously, marvelously successful coaches too long, and not in firing himself.
He certainly did all of that. If think a lot of HC's shy away from being coordinators so they're not so in the weeds with one side of the ball or another. Most of them have a strength and dabble/assist, but handing it over and having general oversight seems to be the better path forward.
I agree to an extent on the handling of the previous staff and their ultimate departures. Likely should have pulled the trigger earlier.
We're in agreement on the potential successes for '22. Win and he's going to get a pat on the back
While 6-6 will likely be looked at as progress and a case could likely be made that it is, I won't be happy with it, nor would I be happy with the Missouri type of up and down mediocrity you're afraid of. At this point we have to improve to get there, but I understand the point.
Let's hope we're looking at 8+ wins this fall and arguing about who deserves credit. We win eight and we'll be bowling and in a much better place.....I think.
I’ve taken the Crab pledge, so I’m trying to express myself as respectfully as possible.
Frost himself said he was in charge of the offense; both play calling and overall offensive strategy. The delegation he does is delegating all of defense and all of special teams.
I also know he micro manages; allowing position coaches to set depth chart at their position, then swooping in on Saturday morning and changing the depth chart, most notably with offensive line.
The error, imo, was the AD not firing the HC.
So you are saying he had offensive coaches he didn't trust to do the job, are you not?
I don’t know what role he put his offensive coaches in; I know what he has said to the media.
I think the comparison that fits Frost exactly is Jim Walden.
Walden was a Devaney Quarterback at Wyoming. and then an assistant at Nebraska for both National Championships.
Walden had a nice run at Washington State, and then took the Iowa State job. He got a winning season in his third season there. And then hung on with a bunch of mediocre seasons. He recruited Troy Davis and in Davis's freshman season the wheels fell off and ISU went 0-10-1.
Frost tenure here will end with an o-10-1. You can feel it coming.
Difference is Whip has done it in pros and in college. Whereas Verdu did it, um, nowhere.
But the media loved the guy (Verdu). Academic type character, cigars and big hair. If he can write, he'd fit right in with them, wouldn't he?
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Or they have already seen the failure
Has all the fun he needs from Pitt
Plenty to see there, but Whip's calling card is designing the offense to fit the strength and preferences of his personnel on offense. So you have the "leopard, spots" thing competing against the hiring time promises.
Not always was he successful. And by the way Coach V spent the last 25 years at the FBS level schools. Probably more than whipple. Now successful can be argued.
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