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We ran 5 WR once against Indiana… madness.

White at least appears to learn. Satterfield is odd, I don't understand him. We've ran through 4 different QBs since he's been here, now we have a top ranked QB. We still can't move the ball consistently. I'd love for Satterfield to overperform.

It’s crazy to me to have kid with that kind of arm, instincts, studiousness and suddenly apparently a scrambling threat now that they took the leash off his legs… and you don’t even let him throw a forward pass.

It seems like Satt either draws up wild exotic cool stuff or just colossal duds, and I think that’s my main issue with his system—it’s more about the plays than the players. Dylan is a kid who needs a few concepts and then be turned loose to make plays. This system is putting too low of a ceiling on his talent. He was a victim of the script today, especially in the 70th screen pass in the last drive.
 

I think the OP is close.
Spreading the field 4 WR, make the defense cover the whole field, would help the run game and if the WR blocking improved, increase th value of bubble screens.

When Hyden Fry was still at Iowa and I was part of the ISU radio broadcast team he did this to ISU.
He put two WR far out to each side with single set back.
IF: A: LB/Safety moved out of box to help cover WRs, they handed it off to back, never gained less than 5 yards, often much more.
B: Everybody stayed in the box, then they threw slants to crossing WR or bubble screens for good to big gains.
Only time ISU stopped Iowa was when someone made an individual big play which was far to rare and Iowa won going away.

So yes, spreading the field, which I think is OP's point but 4 WR not 5, may indeed help the running game.
Not much against OSU, but against the next 4 teams on our schedule it would be a very viable concept, especially with a runner who aggressively hits the hole like Johnson or even the occasional use of Jacory for his speed if he could get to the second level he would be gone.

GBR
I plan on a thread/post later once I've had time to research it, but anything where we are getting some guys downfield would be helpful. Way too many passes are being thrown to guys at or behind the line of scrimmage (especially on downs where we need big yardage). More receivers does afford us the opportunity to spread the field. Again, I think it could be part of the solution, but you can't just go five wide on every play.
 
I plan on a thread/post later once I've had time to research it, but anything where we are getting some guys downfield would be helpful. Way too many passes are being thrown to guys at or behind the line of scrimmage (especially on downs where we need big yardage). More receivers does afford us the opportunity to spread the field. Again, I think it could be part of the solution, but you can't just go five wide on every play.

I did some digging/film review prior to the Ohio State game and we’ve had a lot of plays where we had guys open down the field, and we’ve checked down to the short yardage receiver. There is another conversation going on regarding the trust between Raiola and the wideouts and TE’s just not really being there, save for Barney. That looks like it could be partially true, but it could also be that Raiola is being asked not to put the ball in harms way an take those shorter, less risky throws.

That doesn’t explain the 25 screens (massive exaggeration, but it didn’t seem like it after any of the 1-3 yard losses) we threw Saturday, that were never well blocked and really should have been shelved.

I will say I remember getting pretty pissed off at Osborne back in the day for calling either an ISO or FB Trap play that wasn’t working…..on every drive, but then we’d bust it, or something off of it and his genius would shine through. That’s what we’re missing on nearly ALL of the behind the LOS pass plays. The ‘bust it’ part. We can lose 1-3 yards with the best of them, which accomplishes nothing if you can’t break one from time to time.
 


I did some digging/film review prior to the Ohio State game and we’ve had a lot of plays where we had guys open down the field, and we’ve checked down to the short yardage receiver. There is another conversation going on regarding the trust between Raiola and the wideouts and TE’s just not really being there, save for Barney. That looks like it could be partially true, but it could also be that Raiola is being asked not to put the ball in harms way an take those shorter, less risky throws.

That doesn’t explain the 25 screens (massive exaggeration, but it didn’t seem like it after any of the 1-3 yard losses) we threw Saturday, that were never well blocked and really should have been shelved.

I will say I remember getting pretty pissed off at Osborne back in the day for calling either an ISO or FB Trap play that wasn’t working…..on every drive, but then we’d bust it, or something off of it and his genius would shine through. That’s what we’re missing on nearly ALL of the behind the LOS pass plays. The ‘bust it’ part. We can lose 1-3 yards with the best of them, which accomplishes nothing if you can’t break one from time to time.
I'm hoping to find the film from the OSU game and look at it, plus some of the other games. Some of these short yardage things are clearly by design (screen plays), but I'd agree that Raiola is either deciding on his own or is being coached to take less risky options when throwing the football. While we certainly don't want to be turnover prone, we also have to be willing to take on some risk in the passing game, especially if we are going to throw the ball 30+ times a game. At the end of the day, I'd rather throw a INT 40 yards down the field on 3rd and long in our own territory than a RB screen pass that goes nowhere. At least on the INT you had a chance at something good happening and it ends up being like a punt. Suffice to say that while INTs aren't good, there are varying degrees to their badness.

I'm also curious how much we are tipping our hand in our play calling and formations. We had a number of plays that OSU couldn't have defender better if we told them what we were running at the line, which makes me wonder if maybe we are telling them what we are going to do based on tendency or formation.
 
I cannot believe inside the 10 yard line with a TE at 6'6" and 2 WR at 6'4" we did not try and put the ball where only these receivers had a chance to catch it? It should be a staple for a goal line offense if you can't run the ball in! Most college defensive backs are less than 6' tall. There has to be a mismatch somewhere? N needs to get a little more creative with creating mismatches! GBR
 
I cannot believe inside the 10 yard line with a TE at 6'6" and 2 WR at 6'4" we did not try and put the ball where only these receivers had a chance to catch it? It should be a staple for a goal line offense if you can't run the ball in! Most college defensive backs are less than 6' tall. There has to be a mismatch somewhere? N needs to get a little more creative with creating mismatches! GBR
The only counter to that I would have is that we haven't been good on 50/50 balls this season. Two immediately pop to mind where we pulled the ball in, only to have it wrestled away by the defender on the way to the ground.

I'd agree, this is an area we need to try to be better in, especially if we are going to be as lackluster as we have been in obvious running situations.
 
The only counter to that I would have is that we haven't been good on 50/50 balls this season. Two immediately pop to mind where we pulled the ball in, only to have it wrestled away by the defender on the way to the ground.

I'd agree, this is an area we need to try to be better in, especially if we are going to be as lackluster as we have been in obvious running situations.
Agree, I would hope we could place the ball in a goal line situation where only the receiver can get the ball is what was meant. This shouldn't be a 50/50 pass play. It should be an in-completion, penalty or TD! GBR
 



Agree, I would hope we could place the ball in a goal line situation where only the receiver can get the ball is what was meant. This shouldn't be a 50/50 pass play. It should be an in-completion, penalty or TD! GBR
We did throw a fade at one point, which was open but overthrown. I'd agree with you though, our play calling in a lot of situations has been very "safe", which is making play calls that should result in at least small games way tougher to accomplish.
 
Respectfully agree to disagree. While I’m no Satterfield apologist, I recognize that often times his stats are limited by the types of games where we’ve won. We’ve gotten a lead, and then we’ve gone conservative in the 2nd half to just run out the clock and end the game. We lost to Illinois due to our special teams, and we lost to Indiana due to everything really, but if you go back and watch the film, the offense outplayed the defense.

I’m tired of people putting White on a pedestal. Yes our defense dominates in games that we’re supposed to win, but in games where we play a team with a pulse, we’ve been no better off this season.

Folks give White a pass because his defense over performed last season. Take last season out of it, and watch the film, and we have three coordinators who aren’t cutting it. White, Satterfield, AND Foley.
Take out a whole season because it runs counter to your thoughts? I could get with taking out a game, but a whole season?

And what about this season? Take out Indiana and we're again playing very well.
 
I did some digging/film review prior to the Ohio State game and we’ve had a lot of plays where we had guys open down the field, and we’ve checked down to the short yardage receiver. There is another conversation going on regarding the trust between Raiola and the wideouts and TE’s just not really being there, save for Barney. That looks like it could be partially true, but it could also be that Raiola is being asked not to put the ball in harms way an take those shorter, less risky throws.

That doesn’t explain the 25 screens (massive exaggeration, but it didn’t seem like it after any of the 1-3 yard losses) we threw Saturday, that were never well blocked and really should have been shelved.

I will say I remember getting pretty pissed off at Osborne back in the day for calling either an ISO or FB Trap play that wasn’t working…..on every drive, but then we’d bust it, or something off of it and his genius would shine through. That’s what we’re missing on nearly ALL of the behind the LOS pass plays. The ‘bust it’ part. We can lose 1-3 yards with the best of them, which accomplishes nothing if you can’t break one from time to time.
The screens are not going to "bust it" players.

Jacory is a speed player, not a bust a move player.

Fidone, forget it.

We just don't have the skill people yet for that play to "bust it"; 5-20 yards, yes but "bust it" no.

Now if Johnny Rodgers had some eligibility left........:)
 
The screens are not going to "bust it" players.

Jacory is a speed player, not a bust a move player.

Fidone, forget it.

We just don't have the skill people yet for that play to "bust it"; 5-20 yards, yes but "bust it" no.

Now if Johnny Rodgers had some eligibility left........:)

From where I’m sitting, 20 yards on a screen would be a ‘bust it’ play. It’s at least positive yardage and a first down.

On the not having the skill players, Barney and Lloyd could both be ‘Take it to the house’ threats. I beleive Coleman will be as well. Nelson could easily get you 20+ and more if we block it well and depending on what the defense is in.

Bottom line is until we can block the damned thing, stop running it.
 


For those who think this is an issue, do you think ‘good’ OC’s use ‘new’ routes every game or don’t use the same plays at all from week to week?

As a defensive player, we watched film specifically for play recognition purposes, so you’d know generally speaking what to be ready for when you’d see certain looks.

I'm hoping to find the film from the OSU game and look at it, plus some of the other games. Some of these short yardage things are clearly by design (screen plays), but I'd agree that Raiola is either deciding on his own or is being coached to take less risky options when throwing the football. While we certainly don't want to be turnover prone, we also have to be willing to take on some risk in the passing game, especially if we are going to throw the ball 30+ times a game. At the end of the day, I'd rather throw a INT 40 yards down the field on 3rd and long in our own territory than a RB screen pass that goes nowhere. At least on the INT you had a chance at something good happening and it ends up being like a punt. Suffice to say that while INTs aren't good, there are varying degrees to their badness.

I'm also curious how much we are tipping our hand in our play calling and formations. We had a number of plays that OSU couldn't have defender better if we told them what we were running at the line, which makes me wonder if maybe we are telling them what we are going to do based on tendency or formation.
I got the opportunity to sit and rewatch all the offensive snaps from the Indiana game and noticed a tendency that might be "tipping our pitches". When Emmett is in at RB and we are in shotgun formation, where he lines up in relation to the QB almost always tips whether we are doing a run or a pass play.

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On pass plays, he lines up even or often slightly ahead of the QB.

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On run plays, he lines up often time a full yard behind the QB. The only times we passed the ball when he was offset like this were on what appeared (to my untrained eye) to be RPO plays, where he could have been handed the ball by design. I found zero instances where he lines up even or slightly ahead of the QB and it ended up being a run play.

I found this odd, so went back and found the highlights/snaps I could find from the Ohio State and Rutgers games. While Dowdell and Rahmir also lined up similarly in different situations, there wasn't the same sort of consistency in play type tipping that I saw on Emmett snaps. Dowdell had a few runs where it looked like he was even with the QB at the start of the run and Rahmir had some snaps where it looked like he start offset on a pass. Emmett's pretty consistently held with the trend outlined above (with the main exception being some play action passes (which could potentially have just been RPOs).

This might be nothing, as I am far from a trained eye. However, it could be actually inadvertent play tipping, and if it is I'm sure someone more football savvy on another team's staff picked up on this, if I was able to into 20-30 minutes of looking at film on YouTube.

The reason this would be of increasing concern, if it is indeed tipping what we are doing, is that we've seen Emmett take over as the primary running back since his breakout game at Purdue (46% of the snaps over the last three games). Despite having a good game at Purdue (averaged 6.3 ypc), he has been held to 2.8 ypc since and the offense as a whole has floundered, putting up just 12.6 ppg.

Tipping run or pass on some plays, might not be that big of a deal (obvious pass or run downs), but it can make a big difference if you are trying to catch someone off guard. Regardless, there are a number of plays where it seems like the defense is in way too good of a position to stop what we are doing. That tells me that we aren't just not executing, but we are giving the defense an edge to stop us.
 

Enter Holgorsen. Leach tree. He’s exactly what DR needs.

This dude was OC at Texas Tech and coached Graham Harrell to almost 6000 yards and 50 TD passes in 2007. Case Keenum 5600 yards and 44 TDs in 2009.

DR is in the mold of those pocket passers.

Probably won’t happen this year but I’ve got to imagine he’s the ‘25 OC, and I’m guessing we’ll see an explosion on offense.
 

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