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Unbelievable Offensive "Philosophy" from Doc Sadler

bilsker

Tom Osborne
15 Year Member
This is a topic worthy of a thread of it's own. First a couple quotes from the game thread:

The announcers called a great game tonight. They were spot on with their analysis. I think they are the first announcers I have heard question the weave offense that Doc likes to run. Why run it there? They were right.

Now I am going to say it. I have said as much before. I . . . HHHHHAAATTTTTEEEE . . . that stupid weave offense. It is the biggest waste of time and energy that serves absolutely no purpose.

The thing I hate about the weave offense, is although it gives the offense the illusion of movement, in reality it is easy to defend and takes offensive players out of the offense. All of the movement is side to side, 30 feet away from the basket.

Good offensive players like to be able to square up to the bucket. Side to side movement takes offensive players away from the flow of good offense. It also takes away from the inside-outside offense that most good half court offense is based on. It's bush league. It's a stall tactic when you have a lead.

In the past, we always lacked something offensively. Size, quickness, outside shooting . . . always something. Now it seems, what we really lack is a consistent offensive approach. Granted, Wisconsin is a good defensive team and we were short-handed, but we were lucky to get 40 tonight. Really lucky.

Our offensive gameplan (or lack thereof) really never gave us a chance. No wonder our players are so eager to throw up quick treys. Why not? A quick open trey is probably a higher percentage then a forced prayer with the shot clock running out. We had many, many of both tonight.

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Doc is clueless. He thinks the only way to win in the Big 10 is to take the shot clock under 10 seconds and take a shot. Read his post game quotes and see if anyone believes him and thinks he should stay on as a coach right now?

Before seeing p'ville's quote I read the paper this morning and was truly amazed at the stupidity that I saw in the game article. It was an obvious bit of stupidity that was worthy of a thread. Before doing that I decided to check the pulse in the game thread and the above quotes stuck out big time.

What did Crock Sadler say? From http://www.omaha.com/article/201112...#badgers-dominate-after-huskers-initial-surge
S
adler waffled when asked if that was as well as any team had guarded Nebraska in his six years.

“Maybe,â€￾ he said. “But I think we had a lot to do with it. Our offensive efficiency, when we got it from side to side, we got some good looks.

“But as I told the team, the number of shots we took with 15 or more seconds on the shot clock ... if we’re going to continue to do that, we’re going to continue to get our brains beat out.â€￾

Holy crap! If that is what this man is teaching his team he is truly a HORRIBLE COACH. Of course, many already knew that. But anyone who was on the fence before should have broken an ankle falling off after seeing that. DON'T SHOOT WITH 15 SECONDS OR MORE ON THE CLOCK? IS THIS GUY FLIPPING SERIOUS? Go back to what Okieland said:

No wonder our players are so eager to throw up quick treys. Why not? A quick open trey is probably a higher percentage then a forced prayer with the shot clock running out.

This fool of a coach actually thinks it's wise to just BLOW 20 seconds off the clock ASSUMING that a shot in the LAST 15 seconds is better than ANY shot in the first 20! Wisconsin is very deliberate on offense. But they will take a good shot no matter what the shot clock says. Watch Northwestern. The run the princeton offense...another that is not known for racking up 100 point nights but they will also take the good shot whenever it presents itself. That goofy-arse weave doesn't ALLOW for a good shot to present itself because you are NOT LOOKING for a shot while you're doing it.

This is a bad team coached by a WORSE coach. Doc Sadler has got to go.
 


My first and last time on the basketball board. All I have to say is we ran the weave back in the early 70's at George Norris Jr. High...as a drill!!! I've watched bits and parts of only two games since Doc has been coach, and from what I've seen the Norris Redbirds could give him and his team a run for their money. It's truly embarrassing to watch the product they put out on the floor, football school or not.

P.S. I haven't had a Close Encounter of the fRed Kind in a couple of weeks, so I'm kinda Jonesin' right now. Figured this would be the place to come for his special brand of blind loyalty and lack of objectivity.
 
Just wondering, how does Wisconsin's offense work?


Much more efficiently than Nebraska's. Like they actually practice something other than the Warm-Up Weave. And I would bet my life the instructions are NOT to not shoot before 15 seconds on the shot clock except in half/game-end situations or clock killing situations with a healthy lead.
 


I wonder what Doc would do if there were NO shot clock in college basketball?

I just bought 7 tickets for the NU vs MSU game on Saturday. I can't wait to witness this in person. :o
 
I wonder what Doc would do if there were NO shot clock in college basketball?

I just bought 7 tickets for the NU vs MSU game on Saturday. I can't wait to witness this in person. :o
We would go to the Dean Smith 4 corners stall offense and try and run the whole game clock down and take 1 shot to try and win a game.
 

Much more efficiently than Nebraska's. Like they actually practice something other than the Warm-Up Weave. And I would bet my life the instructions are NOT to not shoot before 15 seconds on the shot clock except in half/game-end situations or clock killing situations with a healthy lead.

and that was evident in the game.. Numerous times a shot was made at the top of the key after a couple passes.
 
OMG!! I grew up on 38th and Martha... played some Baseball and football on the fields over there. And a older brother use to shoot off some model rockets off the football field.

Cool! I just went by there in September and it still looks the same. My understanding is that Berquist Field is still used for high school games - have a lot of great memories from that place.
 

bilsker, did not see this thread before posting a follow-up to the earlier post you quoted.

I was very, very disturbed by Doc's quotes. Yes, there were a couple of stretches where Nebraska took hasty shots. But there were just as many stretches where Nebraska waited . . . key word > "waited" . . . until there was under 10 seconds left on the shot clock and ended up throwing up a prayer in order to beat the shot clock.

Both types of shots amount to the same thing . . . a wasted opportunity.

Doc Sadler is just flat wrong. Great teams don't wait until there is 10 seconds on the shot clock. That is so wrong it hurt my eyes to read it. Great teams show great patience and often work the shot clock under 10 seconds as they work their offense in search of . . . A GOOD SHOT. Great teams attack for 35 seconds if need be until they get the shot they want. If it takes 5 seconds, fine. If it takes 35 seconds, okay. They don't stand around for 25 seconds and then play frantic beat the clock to get whatever they can get. Your only real hope at that point is to clear out and give the ball to a play-maker to make a play. If you hadn't noticed, we haven't had a whole lot of those guys lately.

The difference in application of philosophy was never so obvious then this game. Ubel stated that Wisconsin worked and worked and seemed to score at the buzzer and it was tiring to play defense for 35 seconds like that. The key is, we had to defend the entire 35 seconds. On offense, Nebraska stood around and waited . . . and so did Wisconsin on defense . . . and thus Wisconsin always got a 25 second breather before having to defend for 10 seconds.

Wow. That was all I could say to Doc's quotes.

Sort of echoes your comments, I think.

A couple of follow up comments.

1) Yes we did take some quick shots. But we also took a lot of forced bad shots to beat the buzzer. Doc didn't seem concerned about this. I can assure you that coaches do not enjoy watching their team force shots as the shot clock runs out (especially down by double-digits in the second half). Why Doc isn't concerned about this boggles my mind.

2) The next time we have one of our patented 6 . . . 7 . . . 8 minute droughts, count the number of shots we take during the scoreless periods. In many cases, we go 4 or 5 minutes without getting a shot off. I have commented on this numberous times on game threads the past 3 years or so. A quick shot is better than a turnover, any day. But count how many times we even touch iron in the scoreless period. It's staggering. How much time is on the shot clock doesn't enter into it. It is about execution. And execution begins with a solid game plan. A team going 4 or 5 minutes without a decent shot is a sign that the team doesn't really know what the "plan" is.

What I care about is getting a good look and a solid shot. Players balanced, square to the bucket, and releasing with solid rotation is the stuff that makes solid shot selection. So often, we go too long without a decent look or a solid shot. Now there is a time to slow it up, and times to speed up the tempo. You need to do both to be a good team. When you haven't had a decent shot in 4 or 5 trips, that is not the time to run clock. It is the time to run the offense and just try to get somebody a solid look and decent shot. That is the piece that has always been missing in Doc's offense. And we haven't even talked about passing and away-from-ball movement. Two things often completely lacking during our cold stretches.
 
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