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The sky isn’t falling

36Blast

Slow Blinker
2 Year Member
After No Illinois this week the competition only gets better. Does anyone truly and honestly see the possibility of winning even one-half of the games in conference ?
Did you think we would have won 4 out 6 after dropping our first 6 last year? I remember alot of 0-12 predictions on this board. It's okay young Skywalker, they will now exceed your existing expectations.
 

Pops

I have squandered my resistance
10 Year Member
Ain't no stopping us now...We're on the move


sing it with me!
 

HuskerJ

Red Shirt
5 Year Member
Plain and simple, YES!!! We'll be just fine. Too many fans with unrealistic expectations combined with a modern culture of instant gratification and pessimism.
To be transparent my expectations are and have been to beat the teams we should. Is that unrealistic? I’ve been waiting for a looooong time for a team that can compete on a national level. That’s not instant gratification. Neither was 4-8.
 

HuskerJ

Red Shirt
5 Year Member
I agree totally, the sky isn’t falling.
But yesterday sucked, and hurt - make no mistake about it.
But I disagree totally as far as product on the field. The latter part of the 2018 season is so far, better than the beginning of this year...
I will wait to the end of the year to compare seasons overall.
Colorado is 1-7 in their last 8 games. Just adding to your perception.
 

HuskerDB

Red Shirt
5 Year Member
After No Illinois this week the competition only gets better. Does anyone truly and honestly see the possibility of winning even one-half of the games in conference ?
I'm hoping we can, but honestly I personally don't see anything to support the belief we can. At best most of the games are against similar teams in terms of quality as ourselves and we don't win close games, OT games, or road games. Until I see that change I'll be skeptical.
 

solesrfr

Varsity
5 Year Member
I have always believed and said it a couple times on here that SF is on the Dabo track.

YearTeamOverallConferenceStandingBowl/playoffsCoaches#AP°
Clemson Tigers (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2008–present)
2008Clemson4–3[A 1]3–2T–3rd (Atlantic)L Gator
2009Clemson9–56–21st (Atlantic)W Music City24
2010Clemson6–74–4T–4th (Atlantic)L Meineke Car Care
2011Clemson10–46–21st (Atlantic)L Orange2222
2012Clemson11–27–1T–1st (Atlantic)W Chick-fil-A911
2013Clemson11–27–12nd (Atlantic)W Orange78
2014Clemson10–36–22nd (Atlantic)W Russell Athletic1515
2015Clemson14–18–01st (Atlantic)W Orange†, L CFP NCG22
2016Clemson14–17–1T–1st (Atlantic)W Fiesta†, W CFP NCG11
2017Clemson12–27–11st (Atlantic)L Sugar44
2018Clemson15–08–01st (Atlantic)W Cotton†, W CFP NCG



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MadRat

God, Family, Football
2 Year Member
i want to keep Frost around for 25 years. I also want him to hone his staff that has some glaring weaknesses. I'm wanting him to create a culture that gets back to exceptionalism. And I want him to limit distractions around the program. After 25 years I want him to be able to look back and to say he did well is rhetorical.
 

goodnterribles

Regulators! Let's mount up.
5 Year Member
i want to keep Frost around for 25 years. I also want him to hone his staff that has some glaring weaknesses. I'm wanting him to create a culture that gets back to exceptionalism. And I want him to limit distractions around the program. After 25 years I want him to be able to look back and to say he did well is rhetorical.
I want him to have a staff that he loves working with, that shares his vision, and has a proven track record of winning. So hopefully he keeps this staff together for the foreseeable future.
 

36Blast

Slow Blinker
2 Year Member
I want him to have a staff that he loves working with, that shares his vision, and has a proven track record of winning. So hopefully he keeps this staff together for the foreseeable future.
Agreed. We are 1 season and 2 games since this staff came aboard. I'd love to know what definitive weaknesses have already been identified. I'm not saying there isnt any...but I think it takes more than one season to make that assessment.
 

HuskerJ

Red Shirt
5 Year Member
I have always believed and said it a couple times on here that SF is on the Dabo track.

YearTeamOverallConferenceStandingBowl/playoffsCoaches#AP°
Clemson Tigers (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2008–present)
2008Clemson4–3[A 1]3–2T–3rd (Atlantic)L Gator
2009Clemson9–56–21st (Atlantic)W Music City24
2010Clemson6–74–4T–4th (Atlantic)L Meineke Car Care
2011Clemson10–46–21st (Atlantic)L Orange2222
2012Clemson11–27–1T–1st (Atlantic)W Chick-fil-A911
2013Clemson11–27–12nd (Atlantic)W Orange78
2014Clemson10–36–22nd (Atlantic)W Russell Athletic1515
2015Clemson14–18–01st (Atlantic)W Orange†, L CFP NCG22
2016Clemson14–17–1T–1st (Atlantic)W Fiesta†, W CFP NCG11
2017Clemson12–27–11st (Atlantic)L Sugar44
2018Clemson15–08–01st (Atlantic)W Cotton†, W CFP NCG



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This has something to do with the above:

Recruiting rankings according to Rivals:

2008 #12 One 5* Ave star rating 3.4

2009 #37 they took 12 recruits only. 7 four stars and 5 three stars Ave star rating 3.5

2010 #19 Zero 5* recruits. Ave star rating 3.21

2011 #8 Four 5* star recruits. Ave Star rating 3.34

2012 #14 Zero 5* recruits. Ave star rating 3.45

2013 #14 Zero 5* recruits. Ave star rating 3.3

2014 #13 One 5* recruit Ave star rating 3.32

2015 #4 Three 5* recruits Ave star rating 3.48

2016 #6 Three 5* recruits Ave star rating 3.59

2017 #22 They took 14 recruits. Ave star rating 3.86 Three 5* recruits.

2018 #8 Took 17 recruits. Ave star rating 4.06 Six 4* recruits.

Dabo's second full recruiting class made top 20, with Nine 4* players. Not bad.

His third full recruiting class made top 10, with Four 5*'s. There you go.

His next two recruiting classes had no 5* players, but had a total of 19 Four Star Players. Wow. Not bad.

The next year he got Deshaun Watson. His lone 5*.

Took Dabo 3 full years to get to 10-4, and that year he had a top 10 recruiting class. There was talent when he got there however. 2005 class ranked #17, avg star rating 3.08. 2006 recruiting class ranked #16, with two 5* recruits and an average star rating of 3.4. The 2007 recruiting class was ranked #16, avg star 3.22.

Let's look at the 3 Nebraska recruiting classes before Frost got here. 2015, 2016 and 2017 to compare existing talent with what Dabo had to get started with.

2015 ranked #31 with avg star rating of 3.14. 2016 ranked #24 with and avg star rating of 3.14. 2017 ranked #20 and 3.3.

My interpretation is that Dabo and Frost had similar talent when starting off. The difference might be the two 5*'s(one of which was CJ Spiller). Dabo had a losing record in his second full year. His third full year he gets 10 wins and is off to the races. Pulls in Four 5* recruits (Sammy Watkins was one).

Dabo's first full year 2009 he lost to Ga Tech, TCU, Maryland and South Carolina, and then Ga Tech again in the ACC championship game. Maryland was terrible and they were 2 and 3 after that game.

Dabo's second full year in 2010 the had a losing record. They also lost to North Carolina and Boston College. and blown out 29-7 by South Carolina. So, if one were to analyze those game, I'm sure recruiting and all that could be applied and found that Clemson was the superior team. Same thing I've been doing.

Dabo's third full year in 2011 is interesting. They won the ACC Championship game, but had 3 big losses leading up to that, against lesser teams; then were blown out 70-33 by West Virginia in the Orange bowl.

So, the comparison, however not scientific or remotely meaningful(just in fun) to Dabo's tremendous rise does have a sense of parallel and potential merit.

Dabo had similar talent to start. Took several years to stop getting beaten by lesser teams and ultimately built his roster on high level talent, which Frost will assuredly have to do. The key take away for me is Dabo got there with not just class rankings or avg stars per se. He got there with the 5 Stars. You have to recruit difference makers. That is what I get out of all this. If Frost can get some 5 stars here, that is the key.
 
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goodnterribles

Regulators! Let's mount up.
5 Year Member
This has something to do with the above:

Recruiting rankings according to Rivals:

2008 #12 One 5* Ave star rating 3.4

2009 #37 they took 12 recruits only. 7 four stars and 5 three stars Ave star rating 3.5

2010 #19 Zero 5* recruits. Ave star rating 3.21

2011 #8 Four 5* star recruits. Ave Star rating 3.34

2012 #14 Zero 5* recruits. Ave star rating 3.45

2013 #14 Zero 5* recruits. Ave star rating 3.3

2014 #13 One 5* recruit Ave star rating 3.32

2015 #4 Three 5* recruits Ave star rating 3.48

2016 #6 Three 5* recruits Ave star rating 3.59

2017 #22 They took 14 recruits. Ave star rating 3.86 Three 5* recruits.

2018 #8 Took 17 recruits. Ave star rating 4.06 Six 4* recruits.

Dabo's second full recruiting class made top 20, with Nine 4* players. Not bad.

His third full recruiting class made top 10, with Four 5*'s. There you go.

His next two recruiting classes had no 5* players, but had a total of 19 Four Star Players. Wow. Not bad.

The next year he got Deshaun Watson. His lone 5*.

Took Dabo 3 full years to get to 10-4, and that year he had a top 10 recruiting class. There was talent when he got there however. 2005 class ranked #17, avg star rating 3.08. 2006 recruiting class ranked #16, with two 5* recruits and an average star rating of 3.4. The 2007 recruiting class was ranked #16, avg star 3.22.

Let's look at the 3 Nebraska recruiting classes before Frost got here. 2015, 2016 and 2017 to compare existing talent with what Dabo had to get started with.

2015 ranked #31 with avg star rating of 3.14. 2016 ranked #24 with and avg star rating of 3.14. 2017 ranked #20 and 3.3.

My interpretation is that Dabo and Frost had similar talent when starting off. The difference might be the two 5*'s(one of which was CJ Spiller). Dabo had a losing record in his second full year. His third full year he gets 10 wins and is off to the races. Pulls in Four 5* recruits (Sammy Watkins was one).

Dabo's first full year 2009 he lost to Ga Tech, TCU, Maryland and South Carolina, and then Ga Tech again in the ACC championship game. Maryland was terrible and they were 2 and 3 after that game.

Dabo's second full year in 2010 the had a losing record. They also lost to North Carolina and Boston College. and blown out 29-7 by South Carolina. So, if one were to analyze those game, I'm sure recruiting and all that could be applied and found that Clemson was the superior team. Same thing I've been doing.

Dabo's third full year in 2011 is interesting. They one the ACC Championship game, but had 3 big losses leading up to that, against lesser teams; then were blown out 70-33 by West Virginia in the Orange bowl.

So, the comparison, however not scientific or remotely meaningful(just in fun) to Dabo's tremendous rise does have a sense of parallel and potential merit.

Dabo had similar talent to start. Took several years to stop getting beaten by lesser teams and ultimately built his roster on high level talent, which Frost will assuredly have to do. The key take away for me is Dabo got there with not just class rankings or avg stars per se. He got there with the 5 Stars. You have to recruit difference makers. That is what I get out of all this. If Frost can get some 5 stars here, that is the key.
There's also a key difference in the fact that Dabo is nowhere near the Xs and Os genius that Frost is. What makes Dabo unique in that role of HC is he knew that, and instead of being a control freak, he went out and hired Chad Morris as OC and Brent Venables as DC.
 
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