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Super Conference

DuckTownHusker said:
The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that B1G expansion is a question of AAU -vs- National Impact.

If the B1G sticks to its AAU proclivities, we'll be eventually chasing down schools like North Carolina, Virginia, and maybe Notre Dame, Miami, or Stanford once the inevitable Super League comes along. It's not a bad path, but honestly, I'm more in favor of National Impact.

Texas, Florida, and SoCal / Arizona remain the big recruiting hotbeds, plus they also have massive audiences. The Big Ten made a killer move securing USC and UCLA, but Texas and Florida are still SEC territory. Competition with the ACC and Big XII is pretty much a non-factor here, and the B1G should be setting their sights solely on the SEC. With that in mind, if I'm looking to expand the conference to say, 24 teams, I'm looking to add the following schools:

  • Florida State and Miami - gives the conference a foothold in the Southeast. One school would be a good start, two is better given the SEC's stranglehold on the region. If only one of these schools can be convinced to go B1G, shoot for Clemson or Georgia Tech as replacement options.
  • TCU and SMU - this is my hottest take, but hear me out. Texas and TAMU aren't leaving the SEC. But there is still talent enough in Texas for two Titan Conferences to duke it out. TCU is the obvious choice. They've been a strong football contender even back to their MW days, and have really blossomed into a powerhouse in the Big XII. SMU is the dark horse candidate, but they've similarly shown massive potential in the ACC, despite playing in... the ACC. Giving them a more centralized home with a natural rival in TCU helps establish a beachhead in Texas. If SMU isn't your fancy, swap them out for Texas Tech, Baylor, or Oklahoma State, who all have similar potential and bring the Texas market.
  • Arizona State and Colorado - ASU is the better school in Arizona, and we don't need two. Especially with USC and UCLA being so close. Still, ASU would help box out the SEC from further westward expansion. Colorado seems like a natural fit. A rivalry with Nebraska, centrally located, and access to the Denver market. They're not moving the needle in the same way that Notre Dame does, but I really don't see the Irish budging from their independence. Still, swap out CU with Notre Dame, Utah, or Stanford if the cards fall differently.
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You passed over a program that is in the top 15 all time in bowl appearances with 57, eight NY6 Bowl appearances (4-4), has 293 weeks of rankings in the AP Top 25, 21 Consensus All-Americans, 176 NFL draft picks, has a Heisman winner, is among the top 15 winningest FBS programs over the last 20 years, and is second in All Time Big 12 wins, only trailing OU.

A far better resume than most in the Big 10 and SEC.
 
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WestTexasHusker said:
You passed over a program that is in the top 15 all time in bowl appearances with 57, eight NY6 Bowl appearances (4-4), has 293 weeks of rankings in the AP Top 25, 21 Consensus All-Americans, 176 NFL draft picks, has a Heisman winner, is among the top 15 winningest FBS programs over the last 20 years, and is second in All Time Big 12 wins, only trailing OU.
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Ok St? I know you love them but they will be (and really already are) on the outside looking in.
 
DuckTownHusker said:
The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that B1G expansion is a question of AAU -vs- National Impact.

If the B1G sticks to its AAU proclivities, we'll be eventually chasing down schools like North Carolina, Virginia, and maybe Notre Dame, Miami, or Stanford once the inevitable Super League comes along. It's not a bad path, but honestly, I'm more in favor of National Impact.

Texas, Florida, and SoCal / Arizona remain the big recruiting hotbeds, plus they also have massive audiences. The Big Ten made a killer move securing USC and UCLA, but Texas and Florida are still SEC territory. Competition with the ACC and Big XII is pretty much a non-factor here, and the B1G should be setting their sights solely on the SEC. With that in mind, if I'm looking to expand the conference to say, 24 teams, I'm looking to add the following schools:

  • Florida State and Miami - gives the conference a foothold in the Southeast. One school would be a good start, two is better given the SEC's stranglehold on the region. If only one of these schools can be convinced to go B1G, shoot for Clemson or Georgia Tech as replacement options.
  • TCU and SMU - this is my hottest take, but hear me out. Texas and TAMU aren't leaving the SEC. But there is still talent enough in Texas for two Titan Conferences to duke it out. TCU is the obvious choice. They've been a strong football contender even back to their MW days, and have really blossomed into a powerhouse in the Big XII. SMU is the dark horse candidate, but they've similarly shown massive potential in the ACC, despite playing in... the ACC. Giving them a more centralized home with a natural rival in TCU helps establish a beachhead in Texas. If SMU isn't your fancy, swap them out for Texas Tech, Baylor, or Oklahoma State, who all have similar potential and bring the Texas market.
  • Arizona State and Colorado - ASU is the better school in Arizona, and we don't need two. Especially with USC and UCLA being so close. Still, ASU would help box out the SEC from further westward expansion. Colorado seems like a natural fit. A rivalry with Nebraska, centrally located, and access to the Denver market. They're not moving the needle in the same way that Notre Dame does, but I really don't see the Irish budging from their independence. Still, swap out CU with Notre Dame, Utah, or Stanford if the cards fall differently.
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miami is aau that means clemson or FSU. national impact i would say its fsu but clemson is more consistent in recent years.

tcu/smu, religious schools. non-starters for b1g. yes i know ND is religious but they have viewership, tcu/smu dont. i think if you can offer a quality package to TAMU, one that is better then what they get in the SEC, they would jump just to screw over texas.....


in principle i agree with ASU/CU but god i dont want CU at all........
 
MiniDisk said:
in principle i agree with ASU/CU but god i dont want CU at all........
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Yeah, the Husker fan in me wants to barf at the thought of CU. But the reality is that they're a solid football team - not elite, just consistently good - and they're enjoying a lot of press with the Deion mess. Plus, they also bring the whole Mountain Time Zone. The only other schools in the region that are worth considering are Utah, ASU, AZ, or maaaaaybe Boise State.
 
BlueTurfHusker said:
"or maaaaaybe Boise State."
Now you're talking. 263 wins since 2000, behind only Ohio State and Georgia. TO-Husker-like consistency. Heisman runner-up.
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They're not a Power 4(5) team. Somehow SMU caught lightning in a bottle to join the ACC, but I don't know if Boise State can pull that off.

They're by far the most accomplished team in G5, but when you're building a Super League and teams like Pitt, Syracuse, or Stanford are on the periphery, I don't see how you can pass them up to grab the Broncos.
 
DuckTownHusker said:
They're not a Power 4(5) team.
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Hmmm...they beat about half the Power 5 teams they played since 2000 (how many Power 5 teams haven't? Pitt? Syracuse? Stanford?). Ranked in top ten last year and nearly upset Oregon at Oregon. Last losing season was 1997. They may not get into a super conference, but they've demonstrated their worthiness on the field season after season. (Yes, I'm a homer on this, though I bleed red)
 
BlueTurfHusker said:
Hmmm...they beat about half the Power 5 teams they played since 2000 (how many Power 5 teams haven't? Pitt? Syracuse? Stanford?). Ranked in top ten last year and nearly upset Oregon at Oregon. Last losing season was 1997. They may not get into a super conference, but they've demonstrated their worthiness on the field season after season. (Yes, I'm a homer on this, though I bleed red)
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Unfortunately, they're a one trick pony. Football pays the bills, but the SEC/B1G generally want schools who can decently compete in multiple sports.
 
DuckTownHusker said:
Unfortunately, they're a one trick pony. Football pays the bills, but the SEC/B1G generally want schools who can decently compete in multiple sports.
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That's fair, but also moves the goalpost. Boise State football has demonstrated legitimacy among Power 5 teams; Boise State as a Power 5 school is a different question
 
Huskerfan69 said:
Boise State would be taking more seriously if they got rid of that blue field.. it is nothing more than a gimmick, and it detracts from any kind of legitimacy it thinks it deserves.. My opinion!
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I avoid watching them on TV because it is hard on my eyes. But that's one tough place to scratch out a W. I remember Oklahoma State had to block a FG to win there several years ago.
 
Early indications are that we are headed to a 5/11 playoff model. 5 auto bids, 11 at large based on ranking. Sounds logical to me.

Conference championships should mean something, but for the also-rans, we shouldn't turn this into an invitational based on what conference you are/aren't in. Nowhere else in sports do we do that.
 
WestTexasHusker said:
Early indications are that we are headed to a 5/11 playoff model. 5 auto bids, 11 at large based on ranking. Sounds logical to me.

Conference championships should mean something, but for the also-rans, we shouldn't turn this into an invitational based on what conference you are/aren't in. Nowhere else in sports do we do that.
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I don't care for the 5/11 idea. I like the points that Joel Klatt shared in his recent podcast.



I haven't yet seen a HuskerMax thread about the college football playoff, so instead of changing the subject here, I'll start a separate one for anyone interested. If I've overlooked it, please let me know.
 
WestTexasHusker said:
Early indications are that we are headed to a 5/11 playoff model. 5 auto bids, 11 at large based on ranking. Sounds logical to me.

Conference championships should mean something, but for the also-rans, we shouldn't turn this into an invitational based on what conference you are/aren't in. Nowhere else in sports do we do that.
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The B1G appears to say they won't vote for 5/11, good. 5/11 will allow the SEC to continue running with 8 CG and a weak af non-con schedule. You're going to see all major non-con games canceled. There isn't a single reason for OSU, PSU, UM, etc... to play a TN or bama.

In addition, you've now handed ESPN a huge hand in getting every SEC possible into the playoffs. Just look at the rankings I've linked to. We know ESPN has a financial stake in the SEC doing well, they'll push the SEC nonsense all year long.
 
Regardless of the model, we are down to about 8 programs that will compete for national titles. The $200 million budget club. And then another $100 million beyond that, that doesn't get included in the official budget.

These select few programs are running fully professional teams. Everyone else is playing exhibition games.
 
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