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Simone Biles

Go look up the term "the twisties" with reference to gymnasts. Then tell me if your opinion is any different.
Imagine running full speed, hers as I am assuming yours is drastically lower, throwing yourself into flips and turns in mid air and not being able to judge your bearings.

Edit: for reference - https://www.yahoo.com/news/frightening-phenomenon-simone-biles-experienced-121313274.html

Sounds like an F1 driver suddenly having vertigo on a road course. More of a matter of safety than being soft.
I get the twisties thing but if you are pilot in a fighter jet and occasionally get vertigo then you can not be considered the greatest pilot of all-time. To earn the title of the GOAT you have to be exceptional in the highest of pressure moments. The last month Simone has not been. I watched the trials and the qualifying and she was making mistake after mistake yet the commentators kept fawning over her over and over. My opinion is she stepped out because she knew she didnt have it and wanted to save her brand instead of fighting through it and helping her team.
 

The one thing we need to do is NOT compare what she is going through with any reference to war or the military. Completely different animal here. According to this article, adding to what @Skerfan commented on, she was not on her game months ago. She should have either abdicated then or toughed it out and continued on doing her best.
 
The one thing we need to do is NOT compare what she is going through with any reference to war or the military. Completely different animal here. According to this article, adding to what @Skerfan commented on, she was not on her game months ago. She should have either abdicated then or toughed it out and continued on doing her best.
I wholeheartedly agree with your first point. As to the second, I cannot gauge her "want to", only she can. Maybe that drive pushed her to try and get through it. But when you miss an entire rotation on a vault flip, that is concerning and looked to be the point where she knew it was not safe to go on.
 
I wholeheartedly agree with your first point. As to the second, I cannot gauge her "want to", only she can. Maybe that drive pushed her to try and get through it. But when you miss an entire rotation on a vault flip, that is concerning and looked to be the point where she knew it was not safe to go on.
Good points, I sure wouldn't want her to get hurt, a lot of chances for that. Hindsight is what it is. I feel bad for the next girl that didn't get a chance.
 



The one thing we need to do is NOT compare what she is going through with any reference to war or the military. Completely different animal here. According to this article, adding to what @Skerfan commented on, she was not on her game months ago. She should have either abdicated then or toughed it out and continued on doing her best.

This is exactly the way I feel about this. If before the trials she said I am not up to it and it wouldn't be fair to the other girls I have no problem with that. But, if you show up and don't try because you don't want to fail, I think that is unfair to your team and the girl that didn't make the team because you took their place.
 
The one thing we need to do is NOT compare what she is going through with any reference to war or the military.
Huh…

was my life and my experiences and I don’t have any problem whatsoever in comparing duties and responsibilities of the person…to the TEAM….or the Nation for that matter.

Is war and combat different from an Olympics? I don’t think I even have to answer that question.

But when you wear the uniform representing your country…. during a once every four year athletic event that is world wide watched and regarded.

You accept certain responsibilities and behavioral norms.

Part of the gig…

bottom line is…..

For “personal reasons“ she walked when people depended on her.

I simply have a very hard time with those “personal reasons“ and while it may have a little to do with my military background, I did give the example of the everyday Joe who still shows up EVERYDAY regardless. Folks like….us.

Like I said….

I still have the image of that little gal Keri Strug fighting through pain and fear and….sticking that last landing…limping to the edge of the mat…and being carried away by her coach…burned in my brain forever.

She made the entire country proud.

Simone Bilas did not…and every time she opens her mouth it sounds even more self centered and clueless to the damage she has caused herself and the embarrassment of her nation.

She needs to just stop talking or explaining and making statements.

She needs to just go home, get her head straight and try to be good again….or not.

But at this point any reference to her as the “greatest female gymnast of all time” is just totally absurd.

Of course some idiot will call me a “racist” for what I have said here and honestly….THAT is so far from the truth it makes me want to throw up…..
 
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Huh…

was my life and my experiences and I don’t have any problem whatsoever in comparing duties and responsibilities of the person…to the TEAM….or the Nation for that matter.

Is war and combat different from an Olympics? I don’t think I even have to answer that question.

But when you wear the uniform representing your country…. during a once every four year athletic event that is world wide watched and regarded.

You accept certain responsibilities and behavioral norms.

Part of the gig…

bottom line is…..

For “personal reasons“ she walked when people depended on her.

I simply have a very hard time with those “personal reasons“ and while it may have a little to do with my military background, I did give the example of the everyday Joe who still shows up EVERYDAY regardless. Folks like….us.

Like I said….

I still have the image of that little gal Keri Strug fighting through pain and fear and….sticking that last landing…limping to the edge of the mat…and being carried away by her coach…burned in my brain forever.

She made the entire country proud.

Simone Bilas did not…and every time she opens her mouth it sounds even more self centered and clueless to the damage she has caused herself and the embarrassment of her nation.

She needs to just stop talking or explaining and making statements.

She needs to just go home, get her head straight and try to be good again….or not.

But at this point any reference to her as the “greatest female gymnast of all time” is just totally absurd.

Of course some idiot will call me a “racist” for what I have said here and honestly….THAT is so far from the truth it makes me want to throw up…..
Not sure really what you are saying, I just made a comment, because I assumed at some point, someone, somewhere would compare her leaving her teammates go on their own to someone in the military. Just trying to get ahead, so that is all I meant. Wasn't directed to anyone.
 
Huh…

was my life and my experiences and I don’t have any problem whatsoever in comparing duties and responsibilities of the person…to the TEAM….or the Nation for that matter.

Is war and combat different from an Olympics? I don’t think I even have to answer that question.

But when you wear the uniform representing your country…. during a once every four year athletic event that is world wide watched and regarded.

You accept certain responsibilities and behavioral norms.

Part of the gig…

bottom line is…..

For “personal reasons“ she walked when people depended on her.

I simply have a very hard time with those “personal reasons“ and while it may have a little to do with my military background, I did give the example of the everyday Joe who still shows up EVERYDAY regardless. Folks like….us.

Like I said….

I still have the image of that little gal Keri Strug fighting through pain and fear and….sticking that last landing…limping to the edge of the mat…and being carried away by her coach…burned in my brain forever.

She made the entire country proud.

Simone Bilas did not…and every time she opens her mouth it sounds even more self centered and clueless to the damage she has caused herself and the embarrassment of her nation.

She needs to just stop talking or explaining and making statements.

She needs to just go home, get her head straight and try to be good again….or not.

But at this point any reference to her as the “greatest female gymnast of all time” is just totally absurd.

Of course some idiot will call me a “racist” for what I have said here and honestly….THAT is so far from the truth it makes me want to throw up…..
Slow down turbo. No one brought up race, and if they do...they are an ass. Keri Strug pretty much retired herself for that last vault. Yes, I understand selflessness. I also understand damaging your body long term and ending a career over a single action. It is up to each person. There are a bunch of former and current gymnasts coming out attesting to Ms. Biles making the right decision out of safety concerns. I get that. I also get your argument. What I do know is that if it were someone I cared about that made the same decision she did, I would stand behind her.
 




Slow down turbo. No one brought up race, and if they do...they are an ass. Keri Strug pretty much retired herself for that last vault. Yes, I understand selflessness. I also understand damaging your body long term and ending a career over a single action. It is up to each person. There are a bunch of former and current gymnasts coming out attesting to Ms. Biles making the right decision out of safety concerns. I get that. I also get your argument. What I do know is that if it were someone I cared about that made the same decision she did, I would stand behind her.
They can say all they want to publicly. I have a hard time believing they felt as much respect for Simone Biles when she bowed out as they did when Keri Strug became a national hero.
 
@Squatchsker

Sigh
….

I hear ya…and calling me Turbo made my day because my wife says I am the slowest person she has ever known. :)

But does it matter at all if she gets a whole bunch of current and former gymnasts to say she “did the right thing.” I mean in today’s world where EVERY statement is scrutinized by a million Twitter hounds just waiting to point fingers and jump on you for the slightest thing…..what else can they say?

It’s the general “optics” on this…to the normal Joe Schmoe like me.

30 minutes ago I got home from driving my son to a car dealership to pick up his car that was in the shop. Both he and his wife work in far separate locations so two cars are just a must. A major PITA when one breaks.

As we are driving, he turns to me….out of the blue and says “How about that Olympic gymnast Pops? Must be nice to just say…sorry I need to take a mental health break during the ONLY competition that anyone outside gymnastics gives a crap about. Wonder what would happen to me if I said to my work one day….sorry folks…packing it in for a while. I need to take a mental health break. This is that Gymnasts JOB! And sure it’s high pressure, but so is my job and so is my brother’s and Dad…you had the highest pressure job of all.

THIS is exactly the attitude The VAST majority of Americans will have….for better or worse, it is what it is…..and the Gal has tarnished her reputation and ABSOLUTELY let down her teammates….and her country for that matter.

And it all could have been avoided by either having the guts to recognize the problem when it was first identified (as all of the apologists are now bringing up) and NOT participating to begin with. Or gut it out and deal with whatever ending. Knowing you gave your best given the circumstances.

But the bigger issue here…at least to me…is her abrogated responsibilities to her team and yes her nation…and her statements and ….and attitude.

She needs to just shut up! Just leave and go home, get some help and quietly try to heal. She could have just left the Olympics with an “unspecified injury”…kept it quiet. People would have dismissed it and forgotten about it after a day or so. The press will have forgotten about this in a week.

But not if she keeps attending press conferences. Just STOP trying to justify that which simply CANNOT be justified to most common sense, normal people who face adversity every damn day of their lives and……still show up.

The damage has been done. Don’t keep making it worse!
 
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Personally I would be upset with her if I was her teammate.
And here is the thing the Press will NEVER talk about. The teammates will all appear as supportive and in agreement…as they should…it’s a TEAM.

However, that is simply not reality. There will be girls on that team that will be privately furious. And not just the girls. It will be, parents and grandparents and friends and supporters of these other girls who have worked so hard on a goal only to see it evaporate because one girl considered her mental health more important than the team’s goals.

As for the safety issue, I’m simply not buying it. Any athlete who trains that hard for that long creates intense muscle memory. You do it without even thinking about it. And sure, maybe you don’t do it quite as well….with the absolute perfection necessary for a gold medal….under stress or pressure….but you do it.
 
this is just another example if another world war comes along we will be screwed cuz the majority of the fighting population will have to take time off to focus on their mental health.
 



Go look up the term "the twisties" with reference to gymnasts. Then tell me if your opinion is any different.
Imagine running full speed, hers as I am assuming yours is drastically lower, throwing yourself into flips and turns in mid air and not being able to judge your bearings.

Edit: for reference - https://www.yahoo.com/news/frightening-phenomenon-simone-biles-experienced-121313274.html

Sounds like an F1 driver suddenly having vertigo on a road course. More of a matter of safety than being soft.
She said she was inspired by Osaka quitting Wimbledon. Too bad she couldn't have been inspired by past gymnasts like this guy.


With most of the programme yet to take place, the heroic gymnast decided against telling his teammates about his injury and continued on to the pommel horse and ring exercises - two events where clean dismounts are vital and where a painful impact to his broken knee could not be avoided.

“I felt air inside my knee,” the brave athlete explained. “But I tried not to show that I was injured, because I did not want the judges or anyone to think that I was hurt.”

Somehow, Fujimoto completed the pommel horse routine, scoring an impressive 9.5.

But the hardest moment was yet to come.

With his team trailing the Soviet Union by little more than a point, Fujimoto stepped up to the rings, where in order to play his part in Japan’s victory, he would need to land a dismount from 2.4m above the ground.

Beyond the comprehension of most - including the doctors who treated him after the event - Fujimoto delivered a spellbinding display that ended with a judges score of 9.7.

 
Too bad she couldn't have been inspired by past gymnasts like this guy.
Been a while….but go look up Keri Strug….

That kid had guts!

Little pixie of a woman….tough as nails.

I was privileged to watch that whole drama unfold that night. Was on the edge of my seat that last routine when everyone KNEW she was hurt.

Made you proud to be an American!
 

majority of the fighting population will have to take time off to focus on their mental health.
Don’t worry my friend…the kids in right now come from all over…all backgrounds…and they won’t let folks down.

they may come in a tad softer than past generations…

A year later….

They are not…

If anything they are every bit as fierce, better educated, better trained and better led than ever before.
 

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