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For those that think Satt deserves more time here's a link to an article that quotes an OSU DB that says our wrs run "old routes"


The dude is a liability and needs to go
I saw an interview with Garrett last year where he was talking about how he liked to teach by showing video of NFL WR's. I was thinking that we went from a guy that coached Ja'Marr Chase to a guy that shows videos of him.

This year I've been wonder if he has any videos of guys blocking. I guess he needs to also add a little variety to the mix.
 
I am going to do an analysis on 1 play I saw. The reason I am going to use this play is its not simply about having a pulling guard, it is about how the play is designed and executed. You cannot practice a play until your team gets it right, you practice until you cant get it wrong. I cannot find the exact play as the OSU full game has not been uploaded yet to youtube.

I will later do one about a play we had with a pulling guard that was just poorly designed. To give a short explanation of this play we opened the puller and handed the ball into his lane, meaning that the only free runner was going into the lane just opened up by the pulling guard which is directly in front of the ball carrier. Anyway I will get to that one later.

Anyway, the play design is a simple run play to the right side. It was in the fourth quarter. The entire offensive line shifted to the left and blocked the guy in front of them. The reason that this play is terrible is because if you are just going to block the guy in front of you the hand off or pitch has to be quick. This is usually a blocking method used on sweeps. But instead, DR took the snap and did a lengthy hand off. The right side of the line shifted left as did everyone. This allows the left side of the D line (or the right side facing us), to either seal the edge preventing a cut back, or blitz that side in case it is a pass. So DR pulls back and hands to the only back. But oddly enough the play is designed to be a run to the right very similar to what a counter would have been in the 90s. Except with a counter, you are pulling guards to set an edge and having your back run to the inside of that edge. Instead, the RB cuts back to the right...... WHERE THERE ARE NO BLOCKERS. And before you ask, was this improvised by the RB? No, it wasn't. Meaning the only chance for success was that the other end loses discipline and runs to the far side getting caught up in the wash of the line and not seeing the cut back. There is only one problem, there was not just an end to that side, there was also on OLB. The same OLB that had been on the right side all game? Why did the OLB stay on that side? Because he had contain on the RB in the event that the RB set a block and ran out for a pass. Thus, if the WR was blocking that side, the RB sets a block and goes out he would have been wide open. So the DE realizes the run is not going to his side and simply sets the edge. Then the LB also sees that the entire line went the other way and what does he do? He runs to the backfield? Why would he do this? Because there was no TE on his side and there was only one back. So now, the RB gets the ball and cuts back right into a DE and LB running right at him. The result, a two to three yard loss. Terrible play design. Terrible play call based on what OSU had been doing to prevent the screen. This is why Satt is just not cut out for college football. This play should never have been designed, let alone ran.
 
For those that think Satt deserves more time here's a link to an article that quotes an OSU DB that says our wrs run "old routes"


The dude is a liability and needs to go

For those who think this is an issue, do you think ‘good’ OC’s use ‘new’ routes every game or don’t use the same plays at all from week to week?

As a defensive player, we watched film specifically for play recognition purposes, so you’d know generally speaking what to be ready for when you’d see certain looks.
 



This guy is probably going to be looking for work soon.

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I am going to do an analysis on 1 play I saw. The reason I am going to use this play is its not simply about having a pulling guard, it is about how the play is designed and executed. You cannot practice a play until your team gets it right, you practice until you cant get it wrong. I cannot find the exact play as the OSU full game has not been uploaded yet to youtube.

I will later do one about a play we had with a pulling guard that was just poorly designed. To give a short explanation of this play we opened the puller and handed the ball into his lane, meaning that the only free runner was going into the lane just opened up by the pulling guard which is directly in front of the ball carrier. Anyway I will get to that one later.

Anyway, the play design is a simple run play to the right side. It was in the fourth quarter. The entire offensive line shifted to the left and blocked the guy in front of them. The reason that this play is terrible is because if you are just going to block the guy in front of you the hand off or pitch has to be quick. This is usually a blocking method used on sweeps. But instead, DR took the snap and did a lengthy hand off. The right side of the line shifted left as did everyone. This allows the left side of the D line (or the right side facing us), to either seal the edge preventing a cut back, or blitz that side in case it is a pass. So DR pulls back and hands to the only back. But oddly enough the play is designed to be a run to the right very similar to what a counter would have been in the 90s. Except with a counter, you are pulling guards to set an edge and having your back run to the inside of that edge. Instead, the RB cuts back to the right...... WHERE THERE ARE NO BLOCKERS. And before you ask, was this improvised by the RB? No, it wasn't. Meaning the only chance for success was that the other end loses discipline and runs to the far side getting caught up in the wash of the line and not seeing the cut back. There is only one problem, there was not just an end to that side, there was also on OLB. The same OLB that had been on the right side all game? Why did the OLB stay on that side? Because he had contain on the RB in the event that the RB set a block and ran out for a pass. Thus, if the WR was blocking that side, the RB sets a block and goes out he would have been wide open. So the DE realizes the run is not going to his side and simply sets the edge. Then the LB also sees that the entire line went the other way and what does he do? He runs to the backfield? Why would he do this? Because there was no TE on his side and there was only one back. So now, the RB gets the ball and cuts back right into a DE and LB running right at him. The result, a two to three yard loss. Terrible play design. Terrible play call based on what OSU had been doing to prevent the screen. This is why Satt is just not cut out for college football. This play should never have been designed, let alone ran.
You aren't actually trying to suggest you have a clue about play design, or what each player was supposed to be doing, or what the defense saw and reacted to, are you? Leave that to guys like Peyton and Eli.
 




You aren't actually trying to suggest you have a clue about play design, or what each player was supposed to be doing, or what the defense saw and reacted to, are you? Leave that to guys like Peyton and Eli.
Unless you are being sarcastic you are engaging in a logic fallacy called the "appeal to authority". While I 100% am sure that there are plenty of people who know than I do about X's and O's, the defense saw the same thing I did. So I am at least correct in that 50% of the relevant people at the time of the play got the exact same thing I did. That, and I have been engaged in athletics since I was a kid.
 
For those that think Satt deserves more time here's a link to an article that quotes an OSU DB that says our wrs run "old routes"


The dude is a liability and needs to go
Well that goes hand in glove with Curt Cignetti saying how easy it was to scheme against our offense
 
Just doesn't seem like Satt does all that much to put defenders in conflict to maybe get them to freeze or take a wrong assignment. It's all so vanilla. Pretty much the same plays out of the same formations. Every now and then he'll do something semi-clever with a receiver or RB, but it seems pretty rare. It's inside zone over and over and drop DR back for slow-developing passes (or the dreaded screen game).

Need to add some confusion for defenders. Naked boots and then look for a receiver or DR can maybe pick up some yards (or score). Play-action inside the 10 yard line . . . line up in the I and either fake the FB dive or the handoff/pitch to the RB and leak a TE out into the flat. That's literally football 101 but we hardly ever run it. Other teams kill us with it.

And the lateral passing game needs to be largely mothballed. You can't just keep runnng that over and over when you literally hardly ever gain yards (and often there's a TFL). Use it sparingly. Throw in some wrinkles like San Fran does. Add a play-action element to it--where you fake the handoff and then throw (or the defense thinks it's the lateral throw by formation and you hand it off). Shoulder fake the lateral throw to freeze DBs and hit a quick hitter to another receiver over the middle or up the seam.

Just so dang frustrating. It's the golden age of effective, high-performance offenses and Satt's driving a used pinto half the time.
 
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It's been weeks and weeks now of it not working at all, it needs to die.
We've attempted to run screen passes for years (going all the way back to Pelini) and I can't remember a single successful one. I'm sure there are some examples of times it has worked, but it feels like every time we try to run one (be it a WR or RB screen) that it goes for absolutely nothing.
 

We’ve been running it consistently thru 2 staffs. I have been calling it out forever. We did it with AM because he was always hurt. I don’t know what our excuse is this year. Also, DR can’t hit a fade pass. Please stop those too.
 

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