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Huskerthom

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If this needs to move to recruiting feel free to move mods. But IMO this is a gray area somewhere between recruiting and not.

So, let's talk transfers, specifically in transfers. I am not real big on them in most cases. Here is why.

1. We have not had great luck with transfers other than a few. (Our current center for example was a good one.
2. The guys we bring in that look like sure fire starters end up being OK, usually not great. As an example, we brought in 2 sure fire WRs this year. They were OK. By far our best WR this year was a true frosh.
3. How are we always so sure a guy buried on a roster somewhere else, (Even when that somewhere else is a top 5 team) is better than our guys buried on the roster.
4. As an example. I thought that Loyd and Coleman did better last year with less help from the QBs then Neyor and Banks did this year. They at a minimum broke away from DBs better.
5. The one spot I think we have sought and got improvements from the Portal is OL. Skill positions have been a bust.

What do you all think??
 

Huskerthom said:
If this needs to move to recruiting feel free to move mods. But IMO this is a gray area somewhere between recruiting and not.

So, let's talk transfers, specifically in transfers. I am not real big on them in most cases. Here is why.

1. We have not had great luck with transfers other than a few. (Our current center for example was a good one.
2. The guys we bring in that look like sure fire starters end up being OK, usually not great. As an example, we brought in 2 sure fire WRs this year. They were OK. By far our best WR this year was a true frosh.
3. How are we always so sure a guy buried on a roster somewhere else, (Even when that somewhere else is a top 5 team) is better than our guys buried on the roster.
4. As an example. I thought that Loyd and Coleman did better last year with less help from the QBs then Neyor and Banks did this year. They at a minimum broke away from DBs better.
5. The one spot I think we have sought and got improvements from the Portal is OL. Skill positions have been a bust.

What do you all think??
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i would dont like portal guys a lot. i generally view them as damaged goods and they are in there cuz they lost their spot on their old team for a reason. i would only take players from top10 rated schools, anything else seems like a waste of time.
 
Huskerthom said:
If this needs to move to recruiting feel free to move mods. But IMO this is a gray area somewhere between recruiting and not.

So, let's talk transfers, specifically in transfers. I am not real big on them in most cases. Here is why.

1. We have not had great luck with transfers other than a few. (Our current center for example was a good one.
2. The guys we bring in that look like sure fire starters end up being OK, usually not great. As an example, we brought in 2 sure fire WRs this year. They were OK. By far our best WR this year was a true frosh.
3. How are we always so sure a guy buried on a roster somewhere else, (Even when that somewhere else is a top 5 team) is better than our guys buried on the roster.
4. As an example. I thought that Loyd and Coleman did better last year with less help from the QBs then Neyor and Banks did this year. They at a minimum broke away from DBs better.
5. The one spot I think we have sought and got improvements from the Portal is OL. Skill positions have been a bust.

What do you all think??
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well I’ll start by saying I don’t understand the Lloyd and Malachi love fest of 23. They combined for 14 receptions in 21 games. They averaged .7 receptions a game each. Neyor and banks each averaged about 3. Different offense and different qb I realize but also more receivers being spread out also.

But to your question. It’s not either/or. Neither is better. Remember a transfer by the name of Toure? We have seen many more failures by guys recruited than who transferred in. We just don’t notice because they didn’t even play. You fill needs and hope they work out. Coaches don’t go into the transfer portal because they have a loadful of talent just waiting to get on the field. Malachi didn’t miss seeing the field because he was better than Neyor and Banks..
 
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TP players are two kinds:
-proven starters:
Touri and Scott have both worked out well for us, Mazzcuzi, less so.
Here we need to use NIL money more aggressively to "acquire" starters because the risk is less and judiciously look at spots of great need: RB, O-line for instant help for next year.
-Potential starters:
getting 4/5* off the depth of SEC or BIG teams is always a risk because they usually are not playing for a reason beyond just depth on that team.
What has hindered us in the past is not having an offensive system to know just what type of player we were really looking for beyond "Good/great" players.

With DH on board I think looking for players on the depth charts of other teams that fit his system have a much better chance of working out: a) Dh has s system, b) DH is a know great recruiter so he knows how to recruit to his system and has done so successfully in the past.

Getting a permanent DC soon is very important for just this same reason; to have the advantage that DH brings to the offense and apply them to defensive portal acquisition. What system are we going to use (stay with 3-3-5?)will determine what you need to look for obviously.

GBR
 



Unless a guy is already a strong contributor at a P4, the better bet for us seems like a player who is going well at a G5 or even FCS school.

I agree that getting a 4*/5* guy who couldn’t see the field at another power school often doesn’t work out. Doing that has also overinflated our recruiting ranking and given us a false perception of our talent level. At one point a few years ago we have the 5* db from Ohio St and 4* ol from IA who washed out of there. Neither did anything for us but inflate our * rankings.
 
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HuskerSuperGenius said:
TP players are two kinds:
-proven starters:
Touri and Scott have both worked out well for us, Mazzcuzi, less so.
Here we need to use NIL money more aggressively to "acquire" starters because the risk is less and judiciously look at spots of great need: RB, O-line for instant help for next year.
-Potential starters:
getting 4/5* off the depth of SEC or BIG teams is always a risk because they usually are not playing for a reason beyond just depth on that team.
What has hindered us in the past is not having an offensive system to know just what type of player we were really looking for beyond "Good/great" players.

With DH on board I think looking for players on the depth charts of other teams that fit his system have a much better chance of working out: a) Dh has s system, b) DH is a know great recruiter so he knows how to recruit to his system and has done so successfully in the past.

Getting a permanent DC soon is very important for just this same reason; to have the advantage that DH brings to the offense and apply them to defensive portal acquisition. What system are we going to use (stay with 3-3-5?)will determine what you need to look for obviously.

GBR
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I think you hinted at a circumstance I did not take into account. That is if a position/coordinator/HC leave a team. You may be a starter who sees themself out of that position because of the new system associated with the new coach. In those cases I feel like your opportunity for getting a top guy improves.

BTW thanks to all for a respectful discussion. When I get ideas for a thread like this I sometimes worry that it may turn into a too emotionally charged thread. this one is a pretty fact based discussion.

Hville said:
But to your question. It’s not either/or. Neither is better. Remember a transfer by the name of Toure? We have seen many more failures by guys recruited than who transferred in. We just don’t notice because they didn’t even play. You fill needs and hope they work out. Coaches don’t go into the transfer portal because they have a loadful of talent just waiting to get on the field. Malachi didn’t miss seeing the field because he was better than Neyor and Banks..
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Have to admit I forgot about Toure. Man could we have used him this year.
 




I think we also need to consider that the best portal guys are being heavily recruited by the top programs. So, just like in high school recruiting, we'll have to 'settle' for the second-tier guys and the occasional top-tier guy. NIL helps level the playing field; but, we'll still be going up against well-funded programs to get the top guys.
 
Huskerthom said:
If this needs to move to recruiting feel free to move mods. But IMO this is a gray area somewhere between recruiting and not.

So, let's talk transfers, specifically in transfers. I am not real big on them in most cases. Here is why.

1. We have not had great luck with transfers other than a few. (Our current center for example was a good one.
2. The guys we bring in that look like sure fire starters end up being OK, usually not great. As an example, we brought in 2 sure fire WRs this year. They were OK. By far our best WR this year was a true frosh.
3. How are we always so sure a guy buried on a roster somewhere else, (Even when that somewhere else is a top 5 team) is better than our guys buried on the roster.
4. As an example. I thought that Loyd and Coleman did better last year with less help from the QBs then Neyor and Banks did this year. They at a minimum broke away from DBs better.
5. The one spot I think we have sought and got improvements from the Portal is OL. Skill positions have been a bust.

What do you all think??
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We really haven’t taken a lot of skill players from the portal recently but guys like Trey Palmer, Samori Toure, Kemp was decent when he wasn’t injured, and Banks and Neyor have not been elite but they’ve been pretty decent. Can’t expect every single portal guy to be a game changer
 



Hville said:
well I’ll start by saying I don’t understand the Lloyd and Malachi love fest of 23. They combined for 14 receptions in 21 games. They averaged .7 receptions a game each. Neyor and banks each averaged about 3. Different offense and different qb I realize but also more receivers being spread out also.

But to your question. It’s not either/or. Neither is better. Remember a transfer by the name of Toure? We have seen many more failures by guys recruited than who transferred in. We just don’t notice because they didn’t even play. You fill needs and hope they work out. Coaches don’t go into the transfer portal because they have a loadful of talent just waiting to get on the field. Malachi didn’t miss seeing the field because he was better than Neyor and Banks..
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Trey Palmer!!!
 

TP players have to:
-fit a system on both offense and defense. On defense we had a system and our stats for the last two years showed that players coming into DONU fit that system and were successful (Top 20 scoring defense for two years without complimentary offense or ST).
On offense we brought in players but did not have: a) a system thanks to Satterfield, b) were in a much larger rebuild and c) in 2023 overwhelmed by turnovers at the QB position that masked any contributions by even Trey Palmer.
-fulfill specific needs, not just be "good/great players". That's the Trey Palmer effect. Fantastic player when what really needed was a Qb transfer that didn't turn the ball over or one or two really good o-lineman.
-Once you have built the base of your team, to get to the next level, persistent winning, you need "difference makers"; players on both sides of the ball who can make plays that will cause a win to take place (see Kaleb Johnson for Iowa: his team was dominated all day, then one play and......you know).

This sort of player is "acquired" with NIL money (OU used to get them with Corvettes :) )

GBR
 
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