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Mid Major team(s) to make a run this year?

bilsker

Tom Osborne
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I actually won't say it will be Creighton. Wichita State is a damn good team right now. And New Mexico seems to be playing really well. Haven't seen much of them but they just beat San Diego State on the road and smoked 11th ranked UNLV tonight.
 

With the way New Mexico treats basketball, they are a "mid-major" in conference terms only. Otherwise there is nothing "mid" about that program.
 
With the way New Mexico treats basketball, they are a "mid-major" in conference terms only. Otherwise there is nothing "mid" about that program.

MM = Anyone not in a "power conference" for purposes of this discussion. Agree though...they take it seriously. What's alford making there?
 



a run? why not win it all?

it's just 6 in a row.

Villanova, KU, NCState... they were able to "git r done".

come on mid majors, step up your post season game.... aim higher
 
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Well butler and VCU and George Mason have given it a good shot lately. The NBA prep schools (credit to HWM) are hard to beat though.
 
Well butler and VCU and George Mason have given it a good shot lately. The NBA prep schools (credit to HWM) are hard to beat though.

so the NBA prep school conferences are tougher to excel in, glad we all agree.
 
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so the NBA prep school conferences are tougher to exc*el in, glad we all agree.

That's a little too simplistic and I know you're smart enough to know that.

Generally speaking members of a conference are essentially similar. Similar in facilities. Similar in the academic realm. Financial committment. And similar in their appeal to prospective players/coaches. When you are competing with other programs that are more or less the "same" then it IS difficult whether you are in the valley, the summit league or the Big 10. You have to do what you do better than the others you are competing against. But there are also inherant advantages/disagvantages when you are talking about competing outside your conference. Recruiting to a Big 10 school, be it Nebraska or Michigan State is always going to be easier than recruiting to Wichita State. So Big 10 teams SHOULD be better.

Saying it's tougher for Nebraska to compete in the Big 10 than it is for a Creighton to compete in the MVC isn't looking at the big picture. Creighton doesn't have a conference network where it can tell recruits that they'll be on TV every game. They don't play in a league that the top HS recruits want to play in, given the chance. They don't have national recognition like Nebraska does. Being a "football school" isn't, or SHOULDN't, be a disadvantage. It's a huge advantage as far as campus life goes and "branding". The list goes on.

One other big advantage is that nebraska doesn't need to be great to make the dance. They just need to be pretty good. Look at Purdue, Northwestern and Illinois. These are wildly mediocre teams WITHIN their conference. And they are still regarded as "bubble teams". CU, Wichita State, etc. don't have the "power conference" affiliation that gets them the benefit of the doubt. They need to schedule as tough as they can but that's difficult given the nature of College BB scheduling. So they need to go out and win 27 games and can't afford more than 1 or 2 bad losses. In a power conference you get countless opportunities to get that "signature win".

So would it be tougher for a Creighton to walk in to the Big 10 NEXT year and compete? Hell yes. They wouldn't win it. They sure as hell wouldn't finish last or even in the bottom 1/3 either. They would still be a tourney team if they were in the Big 10 this year. No doubt. Now, over time...with the opportunity to recruit to the Big 10, the TV exposure, the additional money, the sparkling new practice facility they could afford to build, they'd have every chance to compete in that conference. Would they? Depends on the man in charge. NU has all those things now. They need to get a man in charge that can lead them to competitiveness. Hell, nobody even remotely expects NU to replace Mich State as the class of the Big 10.
 
Baylor is a pretty good example if you were going to try to project Creighton into a big time league. It's a small, religiously based private school. For years Baylor was outclassed by the Big 12. But they eventually found coaches that could get some players in there and presto!...they are more than competitive. Will that last? We'll see.
 
I just hope Creighton doesnt get a 6 seed and stuck playing another mid major in round one like they did when they got beat by C Mich
 



I just hope Creighton doesnt get a 6 seed and stuck playing another mid major in round one like they did when they got beat by C Mich

Or Nevada. Personally, at this point I'd be pretty happy with a 6 seed. If they win the next 5 I think a 5 seed is possible. Guess I don't really care if they play a mid-major or "BCS" school.
 
yeah I guess 6 is better than 7...much better chance if you win round 1 in round 2 vs a 3 instead of a 2
 

That's a little too simplistic and I know you're smart enough to know that.

Generally speaking members of a conference are essentially similar. Similar in facilities. Similar in the academic realm. Financial committment. And similar in their appeal to prospective players/coaches. When you are competing with other programs that are more or less the "same" then it IS difficult whether you are in the valley, the summit league or the Big 10. You have to do what you do better than the others you are competing against. But there are also inherant advantages/disagvantages when you are talking about competing outside your conference. Recruiting to a Big 10 school, be it Nebraska or Michigan State is always going to be easier than recruiting to Wichita State. So Big 10 teams SHOULD be better.

Saying it's tougher for Nebraska to compete in the Big 10 than it is for a Creighton to compete in the MVC isn't looking at the big picture. Creighton doesn't have a conference network where it can tell recruits that they'll be on TV every game. They don't play in a league that the top HS recruits want to play in, given the chance. They don't have national recognition like Nebraska does. Being a "football school" isn't, or SHOULDN't, be a disadvantage. It's a huge advantage as far as campus life goes and "branding". The list goes on.

One other big advantage is that nebraska doesn't need to be great to make the dance. They just need to be pretty good. Look at Purdue, Northwestern and Illinois. These are wildly mediocre teams WITHIN their conference. And they are still regarded as "bubble teams". CU, Wichita State, etc. don't have the "power conference" affiliation that gets them the benefit of the doubt. They need to schedule as tough as they can but that's difficult given the nature of College BB scheduling. So they need to go out and win 27 games and can't afford more than 1 or 2 bad losses. In a power conference you get countless opportunities to get that "signature win".

So would it be tougher for a Creighton to walk in to the Big 10 NEXT year and compete? Hell yes. They wouldn't win it. They sure as hell wouldn't finish last or even in the bottom 1/3 either. They would still be a tourney team if they were in the Big 10 this year. No doubt. Now, over time...with the opportunity to recruit to the Big 10, the TV exposure, the additional money, the sparkling new practice facility they could afford to build, they'd have every chance to compete in that conference. Would they? Depends on the man in charge. NU has all those things now. They need to get a man in charge that can lead them to competitiveness. Hell, nobody even remotely expects NU to replace Mich State as the class of the Big 10.

really want to go there? do you seriously think all conference members are created equal?

what's the largest BBall venue in the Valley? try Creighton by a wide margin. Facilities = W's. In addition, Creighton, Wichita State & Bradley are all non-football schools, that free$ up a lot to focu$ on Hoops (or ba$eball). Question should be, why isn't Creighton in the dance perennially? (especially with the Valley getting multiple teams in the dance for quite some time). What's it been, since 2007?

Are you basing your bluejay B10 performance prediction on going 2-1 against the three BCS schools your team played this season? (Iowa, NU & Northwestern)

Michigan State, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Purdue have all played for or won the national title ... sounds tough + being the new kid on the block this season, is NU not afforded similar time to adjust / become competitive?

BBall is an urban game. NU is the most rural, remote, & by far the smallest populous within their conference. I'm not saying these are insurmountable, but they are challenges. Facility improvements are finally underway proving NU is at long last committed to improving it's basketball program.

The thread topic involves mid majors "to make a run this year", yet like every thread on here, you choose to make it "take a shot at NU Hoops" - just gets old IMO.
 
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