You mean Verge and Mcgowans?
Yup. Even when one creates something for the other it's not a warm and fuzzy acknowledgement. I also was noticing when guys come to the bench when being subbed out. Verge got yanked by Fred after pulling a trigger too quick in a transition opportunity, came to the bench and was ignored by several teammates, but fist bumped by one. Later when Bryce got pulled for what looked like a defensive lapse, fist bumped by some, but ignored by others including the one that bumped Verge. I'm not a guy who is big on all the hand slapping after every free throw, or when a guy does what he's supposed to, but in this day and age they all do it, which is why when you start seeing players suddenly become selective in who they are congratulating, you start to pay attention. If Trey was healthy and could be running the point some, I think we'd see Verge getting more bench and off guard time.
There are players being coached the entire game, so your suggestion they aren't well coached isn't accurate. What they aren't is players who take coaching well. Verge is told time and time again what he needs to do and not do, and he shows some moments that he gets it, and stretches that he absolutely doesn't. The times that we are looking like a good team are those moments we have good point play. So much of the game is predicated on things starting from the point. What's worse is we don't have anyone who brings the guys back when things start to slip. We don't have a floor general, or anyone with the kind of leadership that can herd the cats back into a normal flow. Even Kobe, who I thought might have some of that ability, has looked a little lost out there. I'm watching Fred talking to guys the entire game, reminding them of spacing, telling them to swing the ball, it's maddening that he's having to teach basketball 101 to guys who should be well versed in that by now, but either they aren't, or they can't understand that 5 on 5 is a much better game than 1 or 2 on 5.
The thing is we've seen this from game 1.
We don't need Kobe to create shot opportunities. Just bring the ball down and start passing. Let ball movement be the creator. Kobes not the perfect pg for sure but it's a big improvement and trey will eventually b back
What changes would you make? What player do we have on the bench that can in any way run the point? Kobe is not athletic enough to be the starter, and his shooting makes it hard to use him much as a 2. I agree that Verge is a huge problem, but there wasn't another option earlier in the year or now. Trey was handling the point some last season when we were having some similar issues as well, but he's obviously out for the foreseeable future. What is so frustrating is when Verge actually does move the ball, it's really a great looking offense. Think about the stats from last night:
| ## | Player | GS | MIN | FG | 3PT | FT | ORB-DRB | REB | PF | A | TO | BLK | STL | PTS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 01 | Verge Jr.,Alonzo | * | 29 | 12-21 | 1-3 | 6-6 | 2-6 | 8 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 31 |
| 30 | Tominaga,Keisei | * | 34 | 4-14 | 3-11 | 0-0 | 0-3 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 11 |
| 05 | McGowens,Bryce | * | 27 | 2-9 | 0-4 | 4-5 | 2-4 | 6 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 |
| 11 | Mayen,Lat | * | 20 | 1-5 | 1-5 | 1-2 | 1-2 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 4 |
| 13 | Walker,Derrick | * | 19 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1-2 | 1-3 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| 32 | Breidenbach,Wilhelm | 14 | 2-7 | 0-2 | 0-0 | 3-1 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 4 | |
| 35 | Andre,Eduardo | 12 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 4-6 | 4-2 | 6 | 5 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 4 | |
| 00 | Wilcher,C.J. | 18 | 1-8 | 0-5 | 0-0 | 0-2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |
| 23 | Edwards,Keon | 11 | 1-3 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | |
| 10 | Webster,Kobe | 12 | 0-5 | 0-4 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
| 15 | McGraw,Chris | 3 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
| 04 | Cronin,Jackson | 1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
| TM | TEAM | 0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1-1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
| TOTALS | - | 200 | 23-72 | 5-35 | 16-21 | 14-24 | 38 | 15 | 6 | 9 | 3 | 4 | 67 |
I just disagree in that I think Kobe can do it.
From stuff I've seen and heard with interviews I'm
You're right tho
There are plenty of players who are not coachable, or extremely challenging to coach. Teddy was not coachable. Verge is proving to be extremely challenging to coach. Without that key component, it's nearly impossible to see how the rest of this team responds to coaching.
We have had this argument before and you don't like my opinion on it but do you think that it is possible that a lot of the problem is we have a bunch of transfer kids and transfer kids tend to be a bit more selfish and less coachable in general? Maybe we have just had some bad luck with a few attitudes of kids who happen to be transfers but could it be that we don't have the right balance. I think it is pretty tough to turn several kids who left their last spot because they weren't "getting theres" into a team.
