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mjohnson said:
Yes, definitely agree about Keenum being up there before some of those other players.
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A) It is not a career award - it is for a singular season - and this season is not all that spectacular compared to some of the other candidates.

B) This is HOUSTON we're talking about. It is C-USA. This is a team that played little to no one. Lost to Southern Miss.
 

I, a Wisconsin resident, am not sold on ANY Wisconsin running back. They are as much a creature of the system at UW as was Jarvis Redwine, Chilton Childs, Damon Benning, Dan Alexander, Tony Davis and many other outstanding RBs were for the Huskers.

Not that NFL success alone to dictate whether a someone like Ball is a good RB ... but the inherent historical lack of success is almost as indicative that he may be more of a creature of the system, an outstanding O-Line, a weak B10 and an utterly horrible non-conference schedule that the Badgers play.
 
shodanjon said:
And here's where I get a little nervous. ESPN is in bed with the SEC, no question, no doubt. And it's big bucks. So even though ESPN doesn't have the BCS championship game, two SEC teams certainly raised the profile of the SEC. Now Herbstreet votes for Richardson over the performance of RG3, Ball (hey, 38 TDs is a pretty good season), heck, even Keenun.

Maybe it's all up and up. But maybe no.
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I am getting sick of the SEC this and SEC that talk - but until someone beats them in a bowl game, in non-conference and in a BCS championship ... until then the love-fest will continue.

Mathieu is a finalist simply because he's the most noteworthy candidate from the absolutely best team in the country. Shouldn't the only undefeated team in FBS have a "best-player" candidate? Kind of like Frazier on the '95 Huskers!
 


wcbsas said:
I am getting sick of the SEC this and SEC that talk - but until someone beats them in a bowl game, in non-conference and in a BCS championship ... until then the love-fest will continue.

Mathieu is a finalist simply because he's the most noteworthy candidate from the absolutely best team in the country. Shouldn't the only undefeated team in FBS have a "best-player" candidate? Kind of like Frazier on the '95 Huskers!
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maybe but maybe not! it could be that LSU just has a lot of really good players and none are the best in the country.
 
wcbsas said:
A) It is not a career award - it is for a singular season - and this season is not all that spectacular compared to some of the other candidates.

B) This is HOUSTON we're talking about. It is C-USA. This is a team that played little to no one. Lost to Southern Miss.
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WHAT?


Case Keenum 45 TDs 5 INT 5099 yards 71.7% completion

Andrew Luck.....35 TD 9 INT 3170 yards 70.0%
Robert Griffin III........36 TD 6 INT 3998 yards 72.4

I don't care what conference you are in, those stats are amazing for a season. He threw for more yards in a season than most QBs throw in their careers. With a 70+ percentage completion. Against Southern Miss he still threw for 350+ yards with a 60+ completion. Southern Miss just came to play that day and Houston didn't have a defense to slow them down.

Griffin & Keenum should be neck and neck in the voting, IMO.
 
I pretty much am SICK of the Heisman trophy. It's a farce. How it's ONLY given to a great QB/RB got old decades ago.

Having said that, RG is the best player in the country IMO.
 
HuskerRedDread said:
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Case Keenum 45 TDs 5 INT 5099 yards 71.7% completion

Andrew Luck.....35 TD 9 INT 3170 yards 70.0%
Robert Griffin III........36 TD 6 INT 3998 yards 72.4

I don't care what conference you are in, those stats are amazing for a season. He threw for more yards in a season than most QBs throw in their careers. With a 70+ percentage completion. Against Southern Miss he still threw for 350+ yards with a 60+ completion. Southern Miss just came to play that day and Houston didn't have a defense to slow them down.

Griffin & Keenum should be neck and neck in the voting, IMO.
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Griffin also rushed for 650 yards and 9 TDs (against much, much, much tougher competition than Keenum faced).

Keenum falls in the same category as several of the former Texas Tech QBs.
 



HuskerRedDread said:
WHAT?


Case Keenum 45 TDs 5 INT 5099 yards 71.7% completion

Andrew Luck.....35 TD 9 INT 3170 yards 70.0%
Robert Griffin III........36 TD 6 INT 3998 yards 72.4

I don't care what conference you are in, those stats are amazing for a season. He threw for more yards in a season than most QBs throw in their careers. With a 70+ percentage completion. Against Southern Miss he still threw for 350+ yards with a 60+ completion. Southern Miss just came to play that day and Houston didn't have a defense to slow them down.

Griffin & Keenum should be neck and neck in the voting, IMO.
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UCLA 38-34 W
at North Texas 48-23 W
at Louisiana Tech 35-34 W
Georgia State 56-0 W
at UTEP 49-42 W
East Carolina 56-3 W
Marshall 63-28 W
Rice 73-34 W
at UAB 56-13 W
at Tulane 73-17 W
Southern Methodist 37-7 W
at Tulsa 48-16 W
Southern Miss 28-49 L

Or how about some numbers for you:

A) 73-85 combined W/L record of Houston's opponents ... or how about
B) 4 ... as in the number of teams with a winning record .... or how about
C) 107 ... as in Houston's strength of schedule per Jeff Saragrin ... or how about
D) 9th ... as in the ranking of C-USA finishing behind the Big LEast, MWC and barely ahead of the WAC

Keenum is just like Colt Brennan, Andre Ware, Kliff Klinsbury and Graham Harrell ... QBs who threw for huge numbers against inferior competition!
 
RG3 numbers are amazing, considering the competition. Matched Keenum in TDs and only 400 some yards difference in total yards. I think RG3 wins it, but in a close vote. The LSU kid is coming back next year, and after his punt return runback in the georgia game, they were toutng him as "the heisman front runner next year!" Amazed they put him in NYC this year, but I guess thats to give him a jump start in next years campaign.
 
HuskerNCorpus said:
Griffin also rushed for 650 yards and 9 TDs (against much, much, much tougher competition than Keenum faced).

Keenum falls in the same category as several of the former Texas Tech QBs.
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Oh, I didn't want to compare rush yards simply because he doesn't have that as a skill set to compare. And I agree, I would give the trophy to RGIII, but to say Keenum shouldn't be considered as a finalist is blind. Yes the Big 12 is a much tougher competition, but it's not like every QB in that conference was putting up those numbers through the air. If a guy is a player, he is a player. It's still D-1 ball. I'm sure he would put up similar number on a team in a "tougher" conference being that he would be playing with a better team (as far as athletes on the roster).
 
HuskerNCorpus said:
I pretty much am SICK of the Heisman trophy. It's a farce. How it's ONLY given to a great QB/RB got old decades ago.

Having said that, RG is the best player in the country IMO.
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I agree about the Heisman being a farce for those stated reasons, and some others.

RG has the best 'visibles' -- numbers, flashiness, etc., and is certainly deserving, so I have no problem with him winning. He is not the best QB in the country, though.
 


wcbsas said:
UCLA 38-34 W
at North Texas 48-23 W
at Louisiana Tech 35-34 W
Georgia State 56-0 W
at UTEP 49-42 W
East Carolina 56-3 W
Marshall 63-28 W
Rice 73-34 W
at UAB 56-13 W
at Tulane 73-17 W
Southern Methodist 37-7 W
at Tulsa 48-16 W
Southern Miss 28-49 L

Or how about some numbers for you:

A) 73-85 combined W/L record of Houston's opponents ... or how about
B) 4 ... as in the number of teams with a winning record .... or how about
C) 107 ... as in Houston's strength of schedule per Jeff Saragrin ... or how about
D) 9th ... as in the ranking of C-USA finishing behind the Big LEast, MWC and barely ahead of the WAC

Keenum is just like Colt Brennan, Andre Ware, Kliff Klinsbury and Graham Harrell ... QBs who threw for huge numbers against inferior competition!
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A) It was already pointed out this is about one season not his career
B) Winning records?.....Look at Bama and LSU's schedule's. They have far greater talent in their conference yet many of the teams they face are sitting at 5-7 and 6-6. Yet, no one's down player their players for a run at the "hypesman".
C) Without Keenum what would the record be, regardless of the strength of schedule for Houston. If Houston had a heartbeat on defense they would be Top 5 right now.
D) And Keenum only plays for one team. He can only control so much. Which is win the game you play. He fell one short this year, but by far it was at fault of his play. Had Keenum been coming Sooner, Tiger, Tide, Longhorn, etc.......this loss wouldn't have effected his placement. (McCoy was shut down something horrible-like in the Big 12 CCG in 09, yet he still made it to New York 14 days later).

Again my argument, is while they suit up, Keenum played his games, regardless of who is on the other side of the ball. Is it his fault the other team's talent is "inferior" to the development he receive under his coaching staff and he was able to excel. Keenum, this season has done more than enough to earn a seat in New York. Hell, Suh was apart of a team that lost to ISU in 09 and got smashed by TTU. He made it to New York as a defensive lineman.
 
Cardinal said:
I agree about the Heisman being a farce for those stated reasons, and some others.

RG has the best 'visibles' -- numbers, flashiness, etc., and is certainly deserving, so I have no problem with him winning. He is not the best QB in the country, though.
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Well, who has the best 'invisibles', not counting the numbers, flashiness, etc.
 
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