A lot of people are down playing the danger because there is a good chance you won’t die from it. The same can be said for Russian roulette. At least with Russian roulette there aren’t any long term affects to worry about.
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A lot of people are down playing the danger because there is a good chance you won’t die from it. The same can be said for Russian roulette. At least with Russian roulette there aren’t any long term affects to worry about.
Not only isn’t it extremely likely “you won’t die from it”, it is very likely any symptoms would be minimal or non-existent.
That's correct, but it spreads like wildfire and enough people get really sick that it strains healthcare resources. Wanton disregard for COVID leads to uncontrolled spread. We've had to suspend elective procedures that require post-procedure inpatient monitoring because of our current situation.
Right now, we have about 10 people in the ICU with COVID. That accounts for about a third of our medical ICU. Not a one of the patients is over 60. It's an outlier, yes, and we are a tertiary care center with ECMO so we are more likely to get patients where heroic measures are appropriate, but the point is that every adult has a chance of winning the COVID lottery. For most healthy adults, that risk is low enough you shouldn't live in perpetual fear, but respectful enough to realize that you number could get called for severe COVID. Likewise, complete disregard for the severity of COVID increases the risk of overwhelming outbreaks and spread to more vulnerable populations who might have a higher than 1% risk of severe disease.
As long as we have the capacity to care for people, things are OK. But, we need people to be partners in this. Take personal responsibility to use common sense and help mitigate spread. Wear a mask, distance, don't congregate, and practice good hygiene. Take the minimal steps needed to allow for a "controlled burn" with COVID so we aren't forced to take drastic measures.
Except you are 100x more likely to die playing Russian roulette. Are other people downplaying it or are you overplaying it?
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If the mask can't keep the virus OUT, it probably can't keep the virus IN either.
Yes, I know about droplets... But the CDC also admitted that the virus is airborne via aerosols which can escape around all but professionally fitted N95 masks so once again, masks really have no value for any viral illnesses.
For Bacteria, much larger organisms, they can play a role when worn by people who are contagious (TB for example) but the extremely small size of viruses make facial coverings of no value.
Doctors, like me have known that in a viral pandemic, with high mortality (NOT Covid) if we were going to treat patients and not die ourselves we would need full biohazard or MOPP Level 4 suits and proper protocols to use them.
All the best.
PS: Your "explanation" doesn't make sense. If with the mask on, and you are still spewing out aerosolized virus then you are still spreading contagion!! Yeah it maybe less but it means you are still contagious and I for one feel you should be out of the public space rather than "wearing a mask" and acting like all is well!
Follow-up: I talked with my family member again to make sure I understood correctly. She confirmed that moisture is the key to masks’ efficacy in preventing spread to others. Viruses don’t survive well in dry air, and MOST of the virus is contained in water droplets, which a mask would hold. It’s not perfect, but they do help reduce the amount of the virus available in the air and on surfaces.
So, that is how they’re able to help keep the virus IN, even if they don’t do a good job keeping it OUT.
Something I’d like to point out from the article specifically, those suffering from long-term issues from Covid-19 includes “26% among those aged 18-34 years (n = 85).”
Again, this is preliminary data. But this study provides evidence that even though it’s highly unlikely that younger adults will die from Covid-19, there may be long-term repercussions for them.
"There is no doubt that acute #COVID19 can lead to short- and long-term sequelae, as does any other severe infection. Though, such low-quality studies with no control group, no denominator reported and no clarity over enrolment criteria are scientifically utterly useless. "
An understandable stance; as I said, the data is preliminary. Lots of data floating around out there, which is why I try to pull my info from peer-reviewed, reputable journals. (Not perfect, but one of our best resources available.)
I can't back it up, but I think the US has had such a worse problem with COVID than other countries, is because we have a higher rate of overweight and obesity, and the comorbidities that go with that extra weight (htn, CAD, high chol, DM2, etc).
(on a side note, I ain't so good with words)
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As of today:
- 166 out of 410 med surge beds available (60% in use)
- 18 out of 62 ICU beds available (~71 % in use)
- 66 inpatient COVID positives, 4 PUIs (13.9% of hospitalized pts are hosp'd with COVID)
- 10 vents in use out of 88, 6 for COVID patients (78 vents available)
We aren't doing as well in Wisconsin, but hanging in. 50% of our medical service patients are COVID. 1/3 of our MICU.
Totaling about 60 patients (and rising, was 20 patients 10 days ago). We have no beds and have suspended elective cases that are anticipated to need a bed. But, we are almost always a full hospital anyway. Its just 60 COVIDs are 60 other people that can't get in for other conditions. I'm not in a particularly hard hit part of Wisconsin, yet. Some of the rural hospitals are on the brink of needing to utilize the field hospital in Milwaukee. It not just beds (I saw a story where Aspirus system in Northern Wisconsin has about 80 patients with COVID), they are having staff get sick.
Going to be an interesting couple of weeks
I’m hearing that hospitals across NE are bracing for even higher numbers and trying to bring in additional traveling staff... is that what you are seeing?
I think this is probably true
Yes. But a NO GO on travelling nurses (at least for COVID floor)
