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Offensive Line

Discussion in 'Recruiting' started by YUENGLING, Dec 21, 2018.

  1. Middle-aged_Ball_Coach

    Middle-aged_Ball_Coach Recruit

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    In zone blocking schemes it's imperative that the OL get their hands on their defender as soon as possible while moving their feet to establish position. Longer arms allow that to happen more easily, and it gives a bit more cushion for when someone unexpectedly shoots a gap. Nebraska ran zone blocking in the 90s also, but almost every play began with a step forward in run blocking, and that means shorter, stronger guys will do fine with that leverage. With an Outside Zone running play (or any number of other more complicated running concepts in Frost's offense) the O-line's first step is lateral, and they need to be able to pick up defenders on the fly while passing off guys in double-teams in order to climb to the next level. Longer arms mean a longer radius with which to work, and even if a defender shoots a gap, the O-line can still steer him out of the play if he can get his hands on him, and the RB reads the blocks correctly, which is usually not an issue on that play even at the high school level.

    If this doesn't make sense, let me know, and I can go deeper into it, but I don't want to bore people.
     
  2. Huskermonsta

    Huskermonsta Red Shirt 2 Year Member

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    Check your pm’s, I use I pad as well.
     
  3. Huskerthom

    Huskerthom All Legend 5 Year Member

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    Nothing boring about these types of posts.
     
  4. HuskerHeathen

    HuskerHeathen Recruit 5 Year Member

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    I appreciate this level of detail. I think the Longer Radius part you mention provides a good reason to go 'lankier/longer'.
     
  5. Redfish

    Redfish Red Shirt 5 Year Member

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    Being able to carry the weight and move laterally makes sense when you are reaching for the edges each and every play. I was concerned about the qb being able to see over these mountainous men, but if you are on the move it may not be as big of deal. The pancake block may be a thing of the past. We may need to find another stat to follow that gives us an indication of dominance.
     
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  6. djlhuskerfan

    djlhuskerfan Junior Varsity 10 Year Member

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    wins?
     
  7. South Omaha Husker

    South Omaha Husker Red Shirt 5 Year Member

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    Thanks
     
  8. Middle-aged_Ball_Coach

    Middle-aged_Ball_Coach Recruit

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    I forgot to mention that longer arms also mean that the O-linemen can comfortably handle wider splits, which then helps to create running gaps on inside running plays. Different offensive schemes call for different spacing in the splits between the O-linemen. For example, most high school teams who run a Double-Wing offense will have the linemen's feet as tight to each other as possible as the initial push is straight ahead, and pulling linemen don't leave as much of a gap for a defender to shoot. The option offenses--Wishbone, Veer Split-T, I-Formation--typically have as wide of spacing as possible so that linemen can get better angles on blocks, and so that the base is wider for the QB to get a read before getting to the edge. Frost's offense also benefits from wider splits. I don't know how they do it at the college level, but I use medium splits for my offense, and I tell my guys to touch "hands to elbows," meaning that when they hold their hands straight out, their hand should reach to the next guy's elbow and vice versa. There are some spread teams that we see who go fingertips to fingertips, and they somehow never allow you to attack those wide interior gaps. Longer arms would mean wider splits.
     
  9. TnHusker87

    TnHusker87 Recruit

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    You guys are giving new meaning to that oft used quote: ‘game of inches.’
     
  10. Huskerwisdom

    Huskerwisdom Recruit

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    Good post (and post earlier as well)! One of the reasons I'm not so worried about replacing Foster is that to my eyes he really struggled with the splits and was often reaching to get to a spot due to his shorter arms and slower foot speed (even on the interior).

    I have been curious about Frost/Austin's recruiting strategy. I suspect a lot of it is that they need these types of high-ceiling OT's so that they can anchor the outside of the OL and that they may feel they can get local talent (augmented strongly with the walk-on program) for some of those interior positions which could give us a recruiting advantage that we desperately need and allow us to use some scholies elsewhere.

    He really added in a lot of pulls during his second year at UCF including something that looked like Malzahn's buck sweep. I'm hopeful we'll be able to see more of that type of thing this year as it gives the perimeter D a lot to think about when you can have a couple of guards or a center coming at them on the outside after your help has been pinned down with the interior running game. It took him to the second year at UCF to start to get taht working though, so I'm not surprised we didn't see too much of it last year as that takes reps by the OL to go from that IZ blocking to the pulling, and, IMO, time for Duval/Ellis/Austin to get and build the kind of linemen they need with that kind of mobility
     
  11. Native

    Native ToungeInCheek since 2010 5 Year Member

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    Good info and Welcome!
     
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  12. Bleed Red

    Bleed Red Red Shirt 2 Year Member

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    I do foresee more pulling from the OL as time goes on. I think that is an important part of SF's plan to blend the UO spread and NU power into his preferred offense.

    As for recruiting OL....it makes sense to recruit a large number of OT prospects. Those that don't quite develop will still make very good interior guys (see this all the time in the NFL), especially when they want length at those positions as well. Why limit the team by recruiting alot of guys who will be ticketed for interior simply by their physiques? Just recruit twice as many OT prospects and move the ones you need to move. Smart plan.
     
  13. Power of Corn

    Power of Corn Red Shirt 5 Year Member

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    I like the guys we have recruited in the last 3 classes for OL, but some of the recent guys... I wonder if they are too tall, you wouldnt think that to be a problem, but more often than not, they dont have the agility of a shorter guy, they seem to be short on quickness.... but not always.
     
  14. Middle-aged_Ball_Coach

    Middle-aged_Ball_Coach Recruit

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    I absolutely agree about more pulling O-linemen this fall, and, yes, Frost does run plays that look like Malzahn's Buck Sweep. Even better, he ran RPOs at UCF that pulled linemen one way, faked passes the other, and then still had options all around. When you can attack the defense's reads, it's tough for them to do their jobs.
     
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  15. 36Blast

    36Blast Slow Blinker 2 Year Member

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    Hence the reason why they are drafting ATHLETIC big men. That's why prospects like Oleseni, who they could have gone after was an afterthought as he didn't fit the mold they were looking for...despite the kid being a 6'8" road grader. They are being very specific in the types of guys they are looking for....in the same mold as Wisconsin (athletic dudes who played multiple sports).
     
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