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Not Really Qualified

Discussion in 'Football' started by MartyHuskerFan, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Huskerthom

    Huskerthom Blackshirt 2 Year Member

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    I guarantee that if it were 16 there would be upsets. Also there would be teams that because of where they play would actually get a chance and would make some noise for example UCF and Boise. They may just make it deeper than you think. It would also give teams that had one bad game like OSU and MI this year the chance to redeem themselves.
     
  2. Bigger Ed

    Bigger Ed Red Shirt

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    Excellent point. "I'm going to make hard cash in the NFL and I'm not going to risk it potentially playing 4 more games." They're already dropping out of just one game.
     
  3. David3464

    David3464 Red Shirt 2 Year Member

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    I think the issue is that every season isn't cut and dry about four teams. I mean tOSU had the same record as Okie, correct? Baylor and TCU had the same records as a playoff team and didn't get in. Why should a committee get to choose which team is deemed worthy of them? There are many years when there are several teams with one loss. How is it fair to let a committee choose which one gets in? Especially when they don't even value a Conf Championship winner (i.e. let's choose Alabama or rOSU, which didn't even win their divisions). Committee members have a built in bias already and it has been shown already in this 4 game CFP field.

    So I would much rather take it out of their hands and have the participants actually earn it by winning their way into it (i.e. winning their Conference, Division). To me, that is the big issue. I guarantee if the committee was REQUIRED to only choose either Division or Conference winners, Alabama and the SEC would be a little more open to expanding the playoff. Otherwise, Alabama would not have gotten in. Had there been a WC, maybe they do.

    It just seems so logical to actually have CCG's that matter by having the winner of them getting in PERIOD. Then the regular season does really matter and it is THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. Oh, the PAC doesn't have a great team this year? So what. I am interested in seeing which team makes it and I bet the PAC TV ratings are elevated at least amongst that conference's footprint knowing that one of their teams gets in. Toward the end of the year, even if you're a fan of other teams, you may be interested in seeing who the other teams are that look like they might get in from the PAC. Ratings bonanza!
     
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  4. FeelLikeAStranger

    FeelLikeAStranger Keeping it Brockmire 15 Year Member

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    6 > 4. Might be a good compromise.

    I still think eight is enough. And screm the old systems where the top teams didnt play each other.
     
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  5. solesrfr

    solesrfr Travel Squad 5 Year Member

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    That year you did not have to win every game and the champion was able to lose two regular season games. The idea that all regular season games meant something before the playoffs or BCS is a fallacy to a certain extent. There have been lots of 1 loss teams that have one the MNC.


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  6. wcbsas

    wcbsas All Legend 15 Year Member

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    Sounds like a bunch of lawyers in love!

     
  7. FeelLikeAStranger

    FeelLikeAStranger Keeping it Brockmire 15 Year Member

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    In many ways, this is an argument about subjectivity vs objectivity, and how much is acceptable to determine a “champion.” The old bowl system had almost none of either...only the selection committees for a tiny number of bowls that weren’t locked in to conferences could determine anything about matchups. It was arguably random that a subjective 1-2 matchup could even happen in a given year. “Best team” was a completely subjective question that couldnt be answered most years.

    Currently, it is all in a highly subjective, closed door process. It is also 99.9% impossible to eliminate most/all subjectivity in the process. Nor, honestly, should we?

    The BCS tried to move toward some measure of objectivity by introducing computer poll rankings. Still flawed/biased/subjective to a great extent. Human polls definitely subjective. Subtract 1 point for a loss....added a somewhat objective element it would seem, but penalized a tough schedule/rewarded easy schedule. System changes to try and adapt.

    Still it got us to a virtual 1-2 matchup every year vs. almost never/random. Some STILL want to argue that is worse? Not perfect, but arguably more objective when there were 2 teams included. Still highly subjective and high chance one of the two “best teams” were excluded. 2 of ~120 teams had a shot..~1.67%

    4 team CFP decreases the possibility that you are going to have the “best team(s) left out. But, it ain’t perfect. Now almost 130 teams, 4 teams...~3%.

    Conference champions, IMO, in a larger field would be far more objective. Since the remaining choices and seeding are still highly subjective, 8 teams allows for subjectivity...even sanity...in the process. 8 teams greatly reduces the probability that the “best team(s)” are left out. 8/130 ~6%

    The other argument is break even point on adding too many games and > 3 games is near/at the limit.
     
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  8. Sodak Dick

    Sodak Dick Recruit 2 Year Member

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    8 teams; the Power 5 champs (regular season would matter) and 3 at large.
    Seed 'em and home field to the top 4. The 4 resulting winners do as now.
     
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  9. Professor Chaos

    Professor Chaos Recruit 2 Year Member

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    I would rather the Power 5 separate from the rest of FBS. Divide the Power 5 into 8 regional conferences with 8 teams and let them only play FBS or P5 teams. No more Mercer, Liberty or The Citadel (looking at you SEC). Each 8 team conference winner then plays a Regional Championship Game which narrows the field down to the North, West, East and South Champions to play in the playoff. Basically, it is an 8 team playoff where each region has a champion that plays in the Final 4. Notre Dame joins a conference or gets left out. Finally, every year, the bottom 2 teams in each region get relegated to FBS and the top 2 in each FBS region get promoted. P5 and FBS crown their own champions.
     

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