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Heisman snubs

Discussion in 'Football' started by HuskerGene, Jul 6, 2018.

  1. HuskerGene

    HuskerGene A work in progress 5 Year Member

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  2. TnHusker87

    TnHusker87 Recruit

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    Not listed in the link, but folks around here think Peyton Manning got jobbed in '97 as the runner-up ... only 3819 passing yards & 36 TDs with 3 more rushing.
     
  3. Lavaman

    Lavaman Rebel Scum 5 Year Member

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    There's another Husker who belongs on that list
     
  4. CrabHusker

    CrabHusker Starter 5 Year Member

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    #93
     
  5. Greatest Fan of All

    Greatest Fan of All The Legend 10 Year Member

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    Whoever finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th to Andre Ware.
     
  6. Paramus

    Paramus Travel Squad 5 Year Member

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    The author says...

    Seriously, No. 1 Nebraska played No. 2 Florida in the Fiesta Bowl that season and beat it by 38 points. The Huskers won all their games by an average of 38.7 points. They don't do that without Frazier!


    Well, they also couldn't have done that without the 27 players on that team that went on to play in the NFL.

    I am thinking that if Brook Berringer had been our starter in 1995, the results would have been very similar. I suppose one could say the same thing about QBs named Gill, Frost, Crouch, Gdowski, Lord, and even Clete Blakeman.

    How much Heisman hype does TF get if he is running the option for Air Force, Army or Georgia Tech?

    Defense wins championships

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  7. CrabHusker

    CrabHusker Starter 5 Year Member

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    Don't disagree that Frazier wasn't the only Nebraska quarterback who could have won a NC with that team, but he was a difference maker as a leader and playmaker. What would he have done at Air Force? It's hard to say, but I doubt he plays four years without winning a Mountain West title or two. He was that kind of player.

    As to the defense, defense does win championships and that year was one of the best playmaking defenses I can remember, but that team scored almost at will and that changes everything. Once an opponent went down by two scores, the crap canned their game plan and panicked making the defenses job that much easier.
     
  8. Lavaman

    Lavaman Rebel Scum 5 Year Member

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    Yup
     
  9. BigMacHusker

    BigMacHusker Junior Varsity 10 Year Member

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    I'd add Troy Davis. 2185 yds with no bowl stats, with a bowl it's probably the 5th best season based on rushing total of all time and still 7th without. Meanwhile Wuerffel threw a lot of TDs but had a 58% completion rate and 3625 yds isn't even single season top 100.
     
  10. Big Red Shrine

    Big Red Shrine Elite Poster 2 Year Member

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    Yeah, Tommie Frazier had better offers than Air Force, Army, and Georgia Tech, soooo.... he didn’t need to run the option there. It’s a moot hypothetical that means nothing.

    College football history is littered with great QBs who won championships because of their team. Tommie won his with the team and was an electric playmaker for NU.

    Trying to diminish the accomplishments of a guy who won the MVP of 3 National championship games. SMH
     
  11. Trojan Husker

    Trojan Husker Junior Varsity 5 Year Member

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  12. solesrfr

    solesrfr Travel Squad 5 Year Member

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    Rushing Receiving Scrimmage
    Year
    School Conf Class Pos G Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD
    *2013
    San Diego State MWC FR RB 13 125 752 6.0 8 22 234 10.6 2 147 986 6.7 10
    *2014 San Diego State MWC SO RB 13 276 1867 6.8 20 23 160 7.0 0 299 2027 6.8 20
    *2015 San Diego State MWC JR RB 14 309 1653 5.3 17 27 414 15.3 3 336 2067 6.2 20
    *2016 San Diego State MWC SR RB 14 349 2133 6.1 17 27 231 8.6 0 376 2364 6.3 17
    Career San Diego State 1059 6405 6.0 62 99 1039 10.5 5 1158 7444 6.4

    1 Ron Dayne* 7125 1996 1999 Wisconsin
    2 Tony Dorsett* 6526 1973 1976 Pitt
    3 Donnel Pumphrey* 6405 2013 2016 San Diego State
    4 Ricky Williams 6279 1995 1998 Texas
    5 Charles White* 6245 1976 1979 USC


    Not even an invite, I no longer support that sham trophy.


    C
     
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  13. Mack The Shark

    Mack The Shark Elite Poster 2 Year Member

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    Pumphrey was the best back in the country last year.
     
  14. Cyberbach

    Cyberbach Founding Father 15 Year Member

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    I remember reading back in the day Mike Price from Washington St. was mailing a single leaf in a envelope to all the Heisman voters to promote Ryan Leaf.... he ended up 3rd behind Woodson and Manning but he had no business being on the damn ballot. It's a popularity contest, put enough lipstick on the pig and someone will love it.
     
  15. Paramus

    Paramus Travel Squad 5 Year Member

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    TF was a great QB for DONU. But Nebraska could not compete with the Florida schools until TO took Bobby Bowden's advice and started putting more speed on defense. TF was the beneficiary.

    Florida State only scored 16 on us in the 1994 Orange Bowl...and they had Heisman winner Charlie Ward at the helm. Our defense held Miami to 17 the next year and stopped Florida's fun and gun offense the year after that. Our TF-led offense only scored 15 points in the 1993 NC game and only 24 in the 1994 NC game. When we won the NC in 1994 wasn't it our FB, not TF, who scored 2 TDs? It was our defense as much as our offense that enabled us to compete for NCs those 2 years.

    But Gerry Gdowski was not as fortunate. Florida State scored 41 on Nebraska to conclude the 1989 season. There is nothing Gdowski could do about that.

    Statistically Gerry Gdowski's senior year at DONU was just as impressive as Tommy Frazier's senior year... you know, TF's 1995 "Heisman snub" year.

    Let's compare TF in 95 and GG in 1989

    Completion % - TF 56.4 - GG 52.2....TF wins

    Average Yards per passing attempt - TF 8.4 - GG 9.8....GG wins

    Passing TDs - TF 17 - GG 19....GG wins

    Interceptions - TF 4 - GG 2....GG wins

    Passer Rating - TF 156.1 - GG 177.3...GG wins

    Total rushing yards - TF 604 - GG 925....GG wins

    Average rushing yards per attempt - TF 6.2 - GG 7.9....GG wins

    GG beats TF in 6 of 7 statistical categories. Doesn't that make GG the true GOAT? Shouldn't Gdowski be on this Heisman snub list as well?

    I am not trying to diminish TF's 1995 season. I am trying to put it in perspective. When the author said that the 1995 NU season could not have happened without TF, I took exception to it. I think it could have happened with a significant number of other QBs running the show. That 1995 team probably would have the NC with Fred Duda or Mickey Joseph at the controls.
     
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