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DT Darrion Daniels

Discussion in 'Recruiting' started by Sodak Dick, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Bleed Red

    Bleed Red Red Shirt 2 Year Member

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    Sorry, wish you weren't so easily offended. I was simply asking if there was a peer reviewed study that concluded it was impossible. I can certainly see where someone who has been working out regularly isn't going to make those massive strides and i'm not doubting the numbers were inflated.

    So, following your advice, i used the "google machine" and typed in "how much muscle mass can be gained in 6 months. The Alan Aragon Model gave an example of a 150 pound beginner gaining up to 2.25 pounds per month, or maybe 27 pounds in a year. So, not 30 and not in the time frame, but also figures which are considered to be within expected averages. Thus, while no doubt extremely rare, it could be possible for someone to gain that amount.....though certainly not an NU football athlete.

    So again, no doubt the numbers expressed weren't legit and maybe that is what you were referring to, this specific situation. I didn't get google to pop up a peer reviewed study on the possibility, although the many muscle building articles from magazines, etc indicate it is highly unlikely it can be done.

    And i typed this response before i saw your edited post.
     
  2. Drum Monkey Robot

    Drum Monkey Robot My stomach light needs your stomach light. 2 Year Member

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    Because it's year two. They aren't starting from the basement and building the entire house. The basement and foundation (muscle mass, strength etc.) have been built. Now we're building the rest of the house.

    Think of it this way: if player "A" could squat 500 lbs when Duvall got here and could squat 600 lbs by the beginning of the season, this offseason that player's baseline is now 600 lbs not 500 lbs. So any gains he makes means he's that much stronger than last season which was already an improvement over previous seasons.

    Clear as mud?
     
  3. satcong2

    satcong2 Recruit

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    SSO, thanks for the reply on the weight department. Good stuff.
     
  4. Greatest Fan of All

    Greatest Fan of All The Legend 10 Year Member

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    I guess I just don't remember any of the coaches claiming that players gained 30 lbs of muscle. They did report that guys gained a lot of weight and looked better...see the article below, which also noted that weight loss from fall camp was expected. I remember a few reports of muscle gain, but don't recall any of 30 lbs that coaches reported...but perhaps they did lie to us about a player, I just don't recall it and couldn't find it using the google machine. Maybe someone can share the link?

    Both coaches and players re-iterated that back squats weren't done regularly...I trust that they weren't lying as it was well known that the previous staff preferred the less effective front squat technique. Anyway, it's great to have a true professional in charge rather than a rookie.

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    Lots of "weight" gain reported here...no report of muscle gain:
    https://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/roster-update-reveals-major-gains-of-more-than-pounds-among/article_62056cfa-34f7-526e-9722-0ade260789af.html

    Not in this article either:
    https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/Bolt/Nebraska-football-makes-big-winter-conditioning-gains-in-the-weight-room-116368727/

    A player (Peyton Newell) claims 23 lbs of muscle:
    https://huskercorner.com/2018/04/09/nebraska-football-strength-conditioning/

    No wild claims by the staff here:
    http://www.klin.com/2018/03/15/huskers-gain-muscle-wealth-of-knowledge-from-strength-coach-duval/
     
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  5. Huskerthom

    Huskerthom Blackshirt 2 Year Member

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    So maybe Peyton had 10 lbs of muscle and 13 pounds of cheetos that he is claiming as muscle. :p
     
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  6. Greatest Fan of All

    Greatest Fan of All The Legend 10 Year Member

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    dup
     
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  7. Greatest Fan of All

    Greatest Fan of All The Legend 10 Year Member

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  8. Huskerthom

    Huskerthom Blackshirt 2 Year Member

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    So since you deleted both. What did you have to say?
     
  9. ShortSideOption

    ShortSideOption All Big 10 10 Year Member

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    Only thing that offends me is lack of using the "quote" feature on here. It's scientifically proven by multiple peer reviewed studies that someone who has been working out can't add 30 pounds of muscle in 6 months.
     
  10. ShortSideOption

    ShortSideOption All Big 10 10 Year Member

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    That's my thing. We literally have coaches quoting in public forums that you can still see "gained x pounds of lean muscle" and quoting a number that is scientifically impossible. But it definitely got the marketing machine going which I can't fault them for. Now, the kids can gain 20-30 pounds, I got plenty of friends that do that. But not solely lean muscle like our coach claims.
     
  11. ShortSideOption

    ShortSideOption All Big 10 10 Year Member

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    Not a problem. We are in good hands. I'll just say what I have said from the start... everyone is on board, why do we need to lie? Again, the marketing machine is going well.
     
  12. ShortSideOption

    ShortSideOption All Big 10 10 Year Member

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    By 2019 fall camp, we will be 18 months in for this weight program. This program is really good at building muscle, and Frost and his coaches are not letting the kids skip days or get out of them. Again, everyone pulling in the same direction. Go back to when Mark Philipp had our guys, he actually put them thru our circuit workout and was basically told to cut it out by coaches and administration. If for no other reason, our kids being held accountable for a workout program will get us looking that much better. But this program we have is great at sculpting bodies too.

    Husker fans will be pleased.
     
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  13. Middle-aged_Ball_Coach

    Middle-aged_Ball_Coach Recruit

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    So ... what I hear you saying is that we should recruit more people who have never worked out before so that we can get more impressive gains in muscle mass?

    :Sarcastic:
     
  14. djlhuskerfan

    djlhuskerfan Junior Varsity 10 Year Member

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    Just a headscratcher to me how the last two regimes didn't fully take advantage of what our program can offer! I don't know how BC was on this, but not using the facilities to their fullest capabilities is just nuts!!
     
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  15. ShortSideOption

    ShortSideOption All Big 10 10 Year Member

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    Lol. Well played. It’s more a pet peeve of mine to hear a staff member publicly quote a scientifically impossible muscle mass gain, also a pet peeve to hear them say we didn’t squat before. Those don’t really bother me as I know both aren’t true and I go on with my day. I’ll take the four star that’s played before tho rather than the alternative.
     

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