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Huskerthom

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Lately particularly in the Fidone thread people are making an issue out of the fact that one strike against us is that we recently moved a highly rated TE to center. So Let us lay out a few facts.

1. It is safe to say that most kids play college ball with the hope of making it to the NFL and having a decent length of career.
2. TE are becoming more and more irrelevant in the NFL and therefore have among the shortest careers. While OL have the longest careers.
3. NFL teams on average carry 2-3 TE, 10-15 OL
4. DE/OLB do not carry more than TE but...They get paid a lot more. and have longer careers.

I say all this to point out that sometimes you are talking a great athlete out of making decisions that will hurt them and guiding them to things that give them a better chance at success.

A few years ago I had this very conversation with the parents of a kid I was coaching. Kid was huge. As a OL he drove kids 5-10 yards down field. As a DL he was unblockable. He wanted to play RB. As a RB he was kind of like Suh. He could get 2 yards because he was just that strong. He never had long runs because he was too slow. I got them too listen by the end of the year. Kid was spotted in a bowl game drive blocking a kid 20 yards down field. Two coaches from an all star team asked to talk to his parents after the game.

My point is giving a kid what they want, is often killing their chances of advancing as a player.
 
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I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying TE is becoming irrelevant in the NFL? That would be in stark contrast to NE and KC who have made a living and won championships because of the TE. Maybe I'm mis-reading this. Otherwise I see you're point about guiding kids into the right position.
 
Huskerthom said:
Lately particularly in the Fidone thread people are making an issue out of the fact that one strike against us is that we recently moved a highly rated TE to center. So Let us lay out a few facts.

1. It is safe to say that most kids play college ball with the hope of making it to the NFL and having a decent length of career.
2. TE are becoming more and more irrelevant in the NFL and therefore have among the shortest careers. While OL have the longest careers.
3. NFL teams on average carry 2-3 TE, 10-15 OL
4. DE/OLB do not carry more than TE but...They get paid a lot more. and have longer careers.

I say all this to point out that sometimes you are talking a great athlete out of making decisions that will hurt them and guiding them to things that give them a better chance at success.

A few years ago I had this very conversation with the parents of a kid I was coaching. Kid was huge. As a OL he drove kids 5-10 yards down field. As a DL he was unblockable. He wanted to play RB. As a RB he was kind of like Suh. He could get 2 yards because he was just that strong. He never had long runs because he was too slow. I got them too listen by the end of the year. Kid was spotted in a bowl game drive blocking a kid 20 yards down field. Two coaches from an all star team asked to talk to his parents after the game.

My point is giving a kid what they want, is often killing their chances of advancing as a player.
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Not sure where this stemmed from... but the Cam Jurgens move probably had more to do with what @N2FL and I said during his recruitment, and that he has awful hands so he was never going to be a TE at the FBS level. OLB or OL was his only option.
 
ShortSideOption said:
Not sure where this stemmed from... but the Cam Jurgens move probably had more to do with what @N2FL and I said during his recruitment, and that he has awful hands so he was never going to be a TE at the FBS level. OLB or OL was his only option.
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The thread stemmed from too many people acting like SF did Jurgens a disservice moving him to Center. My point is that sometimes the coaches have a better idea of where a player should be than the player does.
 



Huskerthom said:
The thread stemmed from too many people acting like SF did Jurgens a disservice moving him to Center. My point is that sometimes the coaches have a better idea of where a player should be than the player does.
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The ones that said that didn't watch Cam play. Not sure how many positions he played in high school but he was not a TE even I knew that and I was a kicker.
 
I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that a coach never moves a player based on his chances of success in the NFL. He puts a player in a position that can help HIS team win. Sure there are promises made if a player's heart is set a specific position but if he isn't going to crack the two deep it usually is very apparent and found out early in his career. Those guys tend to transfer or get moved where the coach thinks they will help the team not the player's NFL prospects.
 
Huskerthom said:
Lately particularly in the Fidone thread people are making an issue out of the fact that one strike against us is that we recently moved a highly rated TE to center. So Let us lay out a few facts.

1. It is safe to say that most kids play college ball with the hope of making it to the NFL and having a decent length of career.
2. TE are becoming more and more irrelevant in the NFL and therefore have among the shortest careers. While OL have the longest careers.
3. NFL teams on average carry 2-3 TE, 10-15 OL
4. DE/OLB do not carry more than TE but...They get paid a lot more. and have longer careers.

I say all this to point out that sometimes you are talking a great athlete out of making decisions that will hurt them and guiding them to things that give them a better chance at success.

A few years ago I had this very conversation with the parents of a kid I was coaching. Kid was huge. As a OL he drove kids 5-10 yards down field. As a DL he was unblockable. He wanted to play RB. As a RB he was kind of like Suh. He could get 2 yards because he was just that strong. He never had long runs because he was too slow. I got them too listen by the end of the year. Kid was spotted in a bowl game drive blocking a kid 20 yards down field. Two coaches from an all star team asked to talk to his parents after the game.

My point is giving a kid what they want, is often killing their chances of advancing as a player.
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Sounds like you are the one having issues with this...

The comments I saw were mostly off the cuff meant to get under people's skin (yours?) or just in jest.
 




Huskerthom said:
Lately particularly in the Fidone thread people are making an issue out of the fact that one strike against us is that we recently moved a highly rated TE to center. So Let us lay out a few facts.

1. It is safe to say that most kids play college ball with the hope of making it to the NFL and having a decent length of career.
2. TE are becoming more and more irrelevant in the NFL and therefore have among the shortest careers. While OL have the longest careers.
3. NFL teams on average carry 2-3 TE, 10-15 OL
4. DE/OLB do not carry more than TE but...They get paid a lot more. and have longer careers.

I say all this to point out that sometimes you are talking a great athlete out of making decisions that will hurt them and guiding them to things that give them a better chance at success.

A few years ago I had this very conversation with the parents of a kid I was coaching. Kid was huge. As a OL he drove kids 5-10 yards down field. As a DL he was unblockable. He wanted to play RB. As a RB he was kind of like Suh. He could get 2 yards because he was just that strong. He never had long runs because he was too slow. I got them too listen by the end of the year. Kid was spotted in a bowl game drive blocking a kid 20 yards down field. Two coaches from an all star team asked to talk to his parents after the game.

My point is giving a kid what they want, is often killing their chances of advancing as a player.
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I want to claim responsibility for this ridiculousness - and I was joking. Truly, Jurgens was listed as TE/OLB or maybe DE, and no one has suggested that Fidone should play anything but WR/TE.

I thought it was a funny coincidence and would be a nice "light" alternative to all the LSU doomsayers.

I apologize, @Huskerthom, and promise to do it again.
 
TE Fidone would run many, many circles around TE Jurgens. OL Jurgens would pound OL/DL Fidone into the ground very, very deeply. Like everyone knows, unless some weird major growth/weight gain happens to Fidone, or if he wants to change positions, is that he will be a TE or possibly a WR...always.....
 
Let me clarify a little bit here. This is NOT the first time I have heard this argument. There have been several players over the years that I here this about. Jake Cotton should have been on the DL, SJB should have stayed a WR. On and on. Coaches do not make these moves lightly. They measure what is good for the kid and what is good for the team.

All these people claim to be TO fans. Heck TO moved people offense to defense and visa versa all the time. Some of our best LB came to Lincoln as a QB.
 




Could we please turn this thread to what really stops a kid from coming to NU - Adidas vs. Nike!

Just kidding! Maybe... :):)
 
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