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    House Republicans lose all touch with sanity (if they ever were in touch with it)

    Sadly, as laughable as this is, this is not an Onion article:

    In return for a one-year suspension of the debt ceiling, House Republicans are demanding a yearlong delay of Obamacare, Rep. Paul Ryan’s tax reform plan, the Keystone XL pipeline, more offshore oil drilling, more drilling on federally protected lands, rewriting of ash coal regulations, a suspension of the Environmental Protection Agency’s efforts to regulate carbon emissions, more power over the regulatory process in general, reform of the federal employee retirement program, an overhaul of the Dodd-Frank financial regulations, more power over the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau’s budget, repeal of the Social Services Block Grant, more means-testing in Medicare, repeal of the Public Health trust fund, and more.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss_ezra-klein

    The only way this makes sense is if they don't realize that they lost the election. That wish list is more ambitious than a greedy rich kid making out his Christmas list.

    Meanwhile, from one of the few sane Republicans:

    This is just a list of things Republicans would like to do if they ran the government. But they don't run the government. Instead, they are contending that it is a valid legislative strategy to use the leverage of the debt ceiling — which will cause an economic crisis if it is not increased — to demand their way on any unrelated issue.

    The pretense that debt limit fights are about the public debt is over.
    America's constitutional system only works if the divided branches of government are willing to work together to make consensual agreements about running the government. Republicans are showing themselves to be too irresponsible to make the American constitutional system work.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/repub...ut-debt-2013-9

    The fact that a major party could even propose anything like this is a display of astonishing contempt for democratic norms. Republicans ran on this plan and lost by 5 million votes. They also lost the Senate and received a million fewer votes in the House but held control owing to favorable district lines. Is there an example in American history of a losing party issuing threats to force the majority party to implement its rejected agenda?
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...n.html?mid=rss

    If the Republicans want to implement their plan, they need to convince the country that it's the right plan and win enough elections to put that plan into law. They've not been able to do so. Issuing threats and holding the economy hostage is not the way to proceed.

    Are any conservatives in the Cafe on board with the way the House Republicans are acting? If so, why?

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    I guess they have finally decided to use the Obama tactics; make threats and hold the economy hostage. They must think it worked for him.

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    Conservative not on board.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleHusker View Post
    Sadly, as laughable as this is, this is not an Onion article:



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss_ezra-klein

    The only way this makes sense is if they don't realize that they lost the election. That wish list is more ambitious than a greedy rich kid making out his Christmas list.

    Meanwhile, from one of the few sane Republicans:





    http://www.businessinsider.com/repub...ut-debt-2013-9



    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...n.html?mid=rss

    If the Republicans want to implement their plan, they need to convince the country that it's the right plan and win enough elections to put that plan into law. They've not been able to do so. Issuing threats and holding the economy hostage is not the way to proceed.

    Are any conservatives in the Cafe on board with the way the House Republicans are acting? If so, why?
    I'm not on board. I wouldn't let one dime (ha!) out of my hands until there was a balanced budget. I am totally against spending more money than you pull in period. Being in debt makes others (some your adversaries) wealthy and risks your own security.
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    You mean the election where they took control of the House? That one? Just want to make it clear.

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    Wow, a political thread started by a lefty. Is that allowed here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleHusker View Post
    Sadly, as laughable as this is, this is not an Onion article:



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss_ezra-klein

    The only way this makes sense is if they don't realize that they lost the election. That wish list is more ambitious than a greedy rich kid making out his Christmas list.

    Meanwhile, from one of the few sane Republicans:





    http://www.businessinsider.com/repub...ut-debt-2013-9



    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...n.html?mid=rss

    If the Republicans want to implement their plan, they need to convince the country that it's the right plan and win enough elections to put that plan into law. They've not been able to do so. Issuing threats and holding the economy hostage is not the way to proceed.

    Are any conservatives in the Cafe on board with the way the House Republicans are acting? If so, why?
    "The way they are acting" is to establish a negotiating position so I agree for the resaons below.

    The house Republicans now realize the process required to negotiate with Obama. Obama came out about a month ago stating emphatically he will not negotiate with the Republicans. He was staking out his position as far to the left as he could. He took a very irresponsible position threatening to shut down the government unless he got his way.

    So the Republicans had to counter. Do they counter with something in the middle and then negotiate to the left? No. They had to follow Obama's lead and start from the far right asking for everything and then negotiate to someplace in the middle.

    Of course only a very small percentage of the voters know what is happening, and a small percentage of those that follow politics close enough to know what is happening, understand the politics and negotiating positions of each party.

    It is one reason I love politics. You read what someone says and then you have to look behind the curtain to understand why they said it, why they said it at this time, what are the consequences and what are the unexpected consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoREDo View Post
    Wow, a political thread started by a lefty. Is that allowed here?

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    I could see Democrats doing this too. I wish both parties would take a more productive approach with negotiations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleHusker View Post
    Sadly, as laughable as this is, this is not an Onion article:



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss_ezra-klein

    The only way this makes sense is if they don't realize that they lost the election. That wish list is more ambitious than a greedy rich kid making out his Christmas list.

    Meanwhile, from one of the few sane Republicans:





    http://www.businessinsider.com/repub...ut-debt-2013-9



    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...n.html?mid=rss

    If the Republicans want to implement their plan, they need to convince the country that it's the right plan and win enough elections to put that plan into law. They've not been able to do so. Issuing threats and holding the economy hostage is not the way to proceed.

    Are any conservatives in the Cafe on board with the way the House Republicans are acting? If so, why?
    In the Soviet Union, people who refused to toe the party line were judged to be insane and locked away. Is that what you want - lock up the politicians who disagree with you because they are obviously insane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleHusker View Post
    Sadly, as laughable as this is, this is not an Onion article:



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss_ezra-klein

    The only way this makes sense is if they don't realize that they lost the election. That wish list is more ambitious than a greedy rich kid making out his Christmas list.

    Meanwhile, from one of the few sane Republicans:





    http://www.businessinsider.com/repub...ut-debt-2013-9



    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...n.html?mid=rss

    If the Republicans want to implement their plan, they need to convince the country that it's the right plan and win enough elections to put that plan into law. They've not been able to do so. Issuing threats and holding the economy hostage is not the way to proceed.

    Are any conservatives in the Cafe on board with the way the House Republicans are acting? If so, why?
    Which one, the Presidential? How about those House elections? You know the ones that turned with the passing of O-care... O-care might be the very reason they can do this? Interesting, funny, maybe ironic or a combination of all 3...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleHusker View Post
    Sadly, as laughable as this is, this is not an Onion article:



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss_ezra-klein

    The only way this makes sense is if they don't realize that they lost the election. That wish list is more ambitious than a greedy rich kid making out his Christmas list.

    Meanwhile, from one of the few sane Republicans:





    http://www.businessinsider.com/repub...ut-debt-2013-9



    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...n.html?mid=rss

    If the Republicans want to implement their plan, they need to convince the country that it's the right plan and win enough elections to put that plan into law. They've not been able to do so. Issuing threats and holding the economy hostage is not the way to proceed.

    Are any conservatives in the Cafe on board with the way the House Republicans are acting? If so, why?
    I think the whole town could grow up, but agree with others that this is the only way to begin a negotiation with someone who publicly stated he would NOT negotiate, that it was his way or no way. To me, that means you have to come at it with as much as you can, to get anything from one guy who, again, stated that it was what he wanted or nothing.

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    When obie does the same thing, the lefties tell us it's just part of his mad negotiating skilz. I wish you guys would make up your mind.

    Libs are funny.

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    Well the skillful negotiating ploy seems to have worked on one democrat :

    U.S. Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia broke ranks with fellow Democrats and said he’d support a stopgap spending plan that delays the individual mandate in President Barack Obama’s health-care law.
    “There’s no way I could not vote for it,” Manchin said at a Bloomberg Government breakfast today. “It’s very reasonable and sensible.” [...]
    “Don’t put the mandate on the American public right now,” Manchin said. “Give them at least a year. If you know you couldn’t bring the corporate sector, you gave them a year, don’t you think it’d be fair?”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...te_757177.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakewood Husker View Post
    Well the skillful negotiating ploy seems to have worked on one democrat :

    U.S. Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia broke ranks with fellow Democrats and said he’d support a stopgap spending plan that delays the individual mandate in President Barack Obama’s health-care law.
    “There’s no way I could not vote for it,” Manchin said at a Bloomberg Government breakfast today. “It’s very reasonable and sensible.” [...]
    “Don’t put the mandate on the American public right now,” Manchin said. “Give them at least a year. If you know you couldn’t bring the corporate sector, you gave them a year, don’t you think it’d be fair?”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...te_757177.html

    Obviously he is insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huskrthill View Post
    Obviously he is insane.
    He will get to feel the wrath of the Dems on that...
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