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Thread: Big Ten’s stance on targeting? ‘When in doubt, throw him out’

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    Big Ten’s stance on targeting? ‘When in doubt, throw him out’

    Interesting....

    The NCAA made it known it was serious about reducing — or, attempting to reduce — head injuries when the Playing Rules Oversight Panel ruled in March that any player flagged for targeting a defenseless player would be automatically ejected from the game.

    That rule will apply nationwide beginning this season, and the Big Ten conference is apparently taking it to heart. Tom Dienhart of the Big Ten Network attended a gathering for conference officials on Saturday and noted that the Big Ten’s front office is telling officials to always err on the side of calling the foul.

    Targeting penalties will be subject to immediate video review as well as additional review on Mondays, but it seems the only way a player flagged for targeting can avoid ejection and/or suspension is if there’s conclusive video evidence to the contrary.

    That could be tough to prove. The new Big Ten stance, as Dienhart reports, is ”When in doubt, throw him out.

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    That could be tough to prove. The new Big Ten stance, as Dienhart reports, is ”When in doubt, throw him out.“

    The decision to eject players for targeting applies to all leagues, the Big Ten just plans on going by an interpretation of the rule that has basically no wiggle room (Dienhart relays that fans should “get ready for ejections” this fall).
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    Sorry. Feel free to merge threads.
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    I think most of the interpretation of "targeting" would be minimized if defensive players went back to "wrap up" instead of "collision".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Reign View Post
    I'm afraid this will lead to more legal Kenny Bell type blocks being called targeting.

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    Honestly, this makes me want to stop watching football. This is utterly ridiculous. You're telling players to go use their body to try and bring someone down to the ground, but not to do it too hard?!?! More than any of the other BS rule changes lately, this is really going to change the game.

    How is a safety supposed to come up and make a hit without "targeting"? That is kind of the very purpose of having a safety. They're supposed to target and attack the guy with the ball. And they can get a big run-up to the ball carrier.

    What about a receiver coming over the middle? His path takes him right into the defense. So now they're supposed to let him pass them and then gently drag him down from behind while being careful not to do so by the shoulder pads? Heck, why not just play touch football?! That's where they're going with all this anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twelve String View Post
    I'm afraid this will lead to more legal Kenny Bell type blocks being called targeting.
    Oh, absolutely. More than that though, they're going to eject a lot of guys for anything even remotely close to "targeting", which is still a term that is tough to define, much less call consistently.

    The main problem that I had with the Kenny Bell block was that he was essentially flagged for a rule they made up on the spot. What he did was 100% within the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bentNblue View Post
    I think most of the interpretation of "targeting" would be minimized if defensive players went back to "wrap up" instead of "collision".
    I have a couple of problems with this. First, collisions are always going to happen when two guys are going at high speed. Second, what about when a guy is about to catch a pass and you need to separate him from the ball. Now you have to do it without hitting him too hard?! Ridiculous. Like I said in the other thread, might as well make it touch football.

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    I wonder if the NCAA should have a yellow/red card option and administer them basically the same as FIFA does? Get one yellow card infraction keep playing, get a second yellow card, then your out for a game. A red card is constitutes 2 red cards and is used for the most egregious actions.
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    I do have mixed feeling on this subject. Being an old fullback I led with my head many times. Back in the old days we were taught to lead with your head. I have two bulging disks in my neck now and when the room is quiet and I turn my head, it sounds like someone walking in gravel. I have KO'ed several back then with blindside blocks. Have had it happen to me as well. My son played as a fullback and has had neck surgery. It's a tough game and the speed gets faster and faster.

    Hitting someone that doesn't have their head on that swivel can be devastating. If the target is away from the play, I can see a penalty. When it is a needless hit flag them. The Bell hit last season was not to the head and the target was within reason of making a play on the ball carrier. I can see that as a valid hit. I believe they need to refine this rule. Players being targeted away from the play should always be flagged. If it was your kid being planted you have to worry. On the other hand a hit below the head when the target can indeed make the play should be examined much closer and I'm all for protecting the unprotected.

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    This is a very difficult rule to enforce. All tackles and hits should be made with the shoulders. However, the head is in close proximity to the shoulder.

    Oftentimes, the defender is coming in to tackle the ballcarrier, he comes in low. The ballcarrier, INSTNCTIVELY lowers his shoulder (and therefore his head), to meet the tackler (otherwise the ballcarrier is running straight up and down, and any hit will easily knock him down). Where the tackler was initially "targeting" the ballcarrier, everything is now lower, and he happens to hit the ballcarrier's helmet, with his helmet. "Targeting."

    KB's hit, IMO, was flagged for two reasons: 1) It was too violent 2) the hit directly resulted in a TD. The flag came late in the play, about the time the ballcarrier was at the 5, and it was clear he was going to score a TD.

    I'm all for eliminating headhunting. Blindside hits away from "the play" should be flagged. Safeties coming up and intentionally trying to take a receiver's head off should be flagged. "Defenseless player" needs to be redefined as a punter or kicker in the motion of kicking, or a player AWAY from the immediate vicinity of the ball, who gets hit above the shoulders (?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husker Country Doc View Post
    This is a very difficult rule to enforce. All tackles and hits should be made with the shoulders. However, the head is in close proximity to the shoulder.

    Oftentimes, the defender is coming in to tackle the ballcarrier, he comes in low. The ballcarrier, INSTNCTIVELY lowers his shoulder (and therefore his head), to meet the tackler (otherwise the ballcarrier is running straight up and down, and any hit will easily knock him down). Where the tackler was initially "targeting" the ballcarrier, everything is now lower, and he happens to hit the ballcarrier's helmet, with his helmet. "Targeting."

    KB's hit, IMO, was flagged for two reasons: 1) It was too violent 2) the hit directly resulted in a TD. The flag came late in the play, about the time the ballcarrier was at the 5, and it was clear he was going to score a TD.

    I'm all for eliminating headhunting. Blindside hits away from "the play" should be flagged. Safeties coming up and intentionally trying to take a receiver's head off should be flagged. "Defenseless player" needs to be redefined as a punter or kicker in the motion of kicking, or a player AWAY from the immediate vicinity of the ball, who gets hit above the shoulders (?).


    I agree with this.

    I think this rule came about because coaches are either unable or unwilling to teach proper tackling technique and many players don’t know or don’t care how leading with their head will affect their body in the future.

    Or maybe it came about because of all the lawsuits against the NFL by former players and the universities and conferences are being proactive to protect themselves from future lawsuits.

    Either way we can bitch all we want but it isn’t going to change anything. On the bright side unless our defense gets a lot more aggressive the new rule won’t affect us that much anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice Of Reason View Post
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    I agree with this.

    I think this rule came about because coaches are either unable or unwilling to teach proper tackling technique and many players don’t know or don’t care how leading with their head will affect their body in the future.

    Or maybe it came about because of all the lawsuits against the NFL by former players and the universities and conferences are being proactive to protect themselves from future lawsuits.

    Either way we can bitch all we want but it isn’t going to change anything. On the bright side unless our defense gets a lot more aggressive the new rule won’t affect us that much anyway.
    With the way our safeties have played, of late, we will have to be very deep at safety to absorb the suspensions at that position. Perhaps tackling will have to be retaught as run up to ball carrier, wrap them up, and hang on, while your teammates come in and help you lower the opposing player to the ground.

    I think coaches promoted headhunting by safeties, to knock opposing playrers out of the game. Perhaps the players themselves promoted it for the same reason. Regardless, pending litigation by the former players now affected by these repeated blows to the head have prompted these rules. I'm all for protecting players. But I again go back the the ball carrier or offensive player lowering their shoulder to protect themselves against an incoming, impending blow: why is that not a penalty?

    Perhaps this is all a plot by the lingerie football league to gain marketshare. If we can't get hard hits in a real football game, then we might as well get an eyeful.
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    Big Ten’s stance on targeting? ‘When in doubt, throw him out’

    "Blocking" will now be referred to as "setting a pick".

    I agree with the intent (to reduce injuries) but this implementation has so many issues.

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    There is too much subjectivity in this rule and too open to interpretation. How is an official to differentiate between targeting and a hard hit that wasn't targeting?
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    I'm all for protecting the grey matter but, any more rules of subjectivity and replays and the games will be five or six hours long. They better put better seats in the stadiums if that's the case.

    I use to love baseball when Gibson's games were 90 minutes long. Now that most are over three hours, I'd rather watch them in my recliner at home. Now there's and idea! Recliners at Memorial Stadium so guys like me can nap during those long agonizing waits.




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