Joey Ganz: The Battle at Backup Quarterback: Between Kellogg & Armstrong

[Bo Pelinis Gum]

So obviously i'm really the only one that knows anything ever and everyone else should just listen......or read.

Considering running an option to the short side of the field results in more negative plays than possitive, Ill just take your messages with a grain of salt.

[ShortSideOption]

Considering running an option to the short side of the field results in disaster, Ill just take your messages with a grain of salt.

That's like saying you wish 1995 would have never happened. Which may not be a bad idea so we could get some people on this board to quit waiting to be satisfied until a class goes 60-3 over their 4 years. Osborne should have just given us the death penalty from 93-97, would have made his job as AD and Bo's job as HC a lot easier.

[huskrthill]

Im not saying you are wrong, Im just saying that in order for the #2 at any position to get in, at any point, he needs to prove he has a handle on the offense/defense. Would you agree with that? And as was stated, in practice Brion would make some mistakes that were pretty mind boggling, and if it happened in practice, whos to say it wouldnt happen in a game. Im not disagreeing with you as the #2 could have scored some mop up duty, but as you stated yourself, if the simple handing off doesnt do anything for the starter as far as learning or getting comfortable in the offense. Whats it going to do for the #2? Kind of like saying we should have put Brion in to kneel it, and that experience makes the coaches comfortable with him to take over the offense.

I think an analogy could be useful here. Let's say we have two math students (we'll call them Taylor and Brion).

Taylor is a little older and has already learned addition, subtraction, multiplication, and long division. He's been introduced to some algebra and is starting to grasp concepts like factoring and the quadratic formula.

Brion is a little younger. He has a firm grasp of addition and subtraction, and he does pretty well with multiplication and long division. Not quite to the level of the older, more experienced Taylor, but enough to be the second best. You don't want to throw anything too complex at him yet, because you're not quite sure where he stands.

Wouldn't it make sense to let Brion handle some of the basic math problems in order to improve his abilities, while Taylor can focus on the more complex problems?

What I'm saying (in a twisted and probably indecipherable way) is that there are times where an experienced person isn't really going to gain much by doing something, while an inexperienced person could do the same thing and gain quite a bit.

[huskrthill]

Any time you metion that Bo is still learning in his role, its as if its the last scene in Christmas Vacation and someone lights the sewer gas from Cousin Eddys RV, and the whole place blows up. Never said you, just in general.

Gotcha. I'm not like that at all, believe me. I'm a big fan of Bo and his staff, and I generally defend them against attacks. I just in my heart believe that they have not handled the QB position as well as they could have.

[ShortSideOption]

I forgot to put the sarcasm thing in my posts - so if I gave anyone a heart attack I apologize...

[huskrthill]

From what i'm hearing Armstrong hasn't gotten the second spot yet, athletically he should eventually, but right now no.

I've been saying it all along... if he is CLEARLY the #2 guy, let him go at it. If it's close and kind of a tossup, then I personally don't see the advantage in playing him. Let's also keep in mind (as I'm sure you know) that the staff may intend to redshirt him but circumstances may change during the season. If (knock on wood) Taylor sustains an injury that may keep him out of several games, it might make sense to go with the kid. I don't know...

Considering running an option to the short side of the field results in more negative plays than possitive, Ill just take your messages with a grain of salt.

I guess Tom Osborne must have been a dummy.

[Scarlet]

Considering running an option to the short side of the field results in more negative plays than possitive

[ShortSideOption]

I've been saying it all along... if he is CLEARLY the #2 guy, let him go at it. If it's close and kind of a tossup, then I personally don't see the advantage in playing him. Let's also keep in mind (as I'm sure you know) that the staff may intend to redshirt him but circumstances may change during the season. If (knock on wood) Taylor sustains an injury that may keep him out of several games, it might make sense to go with the kid. I don't know...

I agree.....and number 2 right now isn't who everyone is in an argument about. A lot can play out in the first couple weeks of the season. I very much could see them playing our number 2 (who isn't TA) and see how he does. If it's a massive failure, that could make them rethink things in regards to RS TA.

[Bo Pelinis Gum]

Considering running an option to the short side of the field results in more negative plays than possitive, Ill just take your messages with a grain of salt.

[Bo Pelinis Gum]

I think an analogy could be useful here. Let's say we have two math students (we'll call them Taylor and Brion).

Taylor is a little older and has already learned addition, subtraction, multiplication, and long division. He's been introduced to some algebra and is starting to grasp concepts like factoring and the quadratic formula.

Brion is a little younger. He has a firm grasp of addition and subtraction, and he does pretty well with multiplication and long division. Not quite to the level of the older, more experienced Taylor, but enough to be the second best. You don't want to throw anything too complex at him yet, because you're not quite sure where he stands.

Wouldn't it make sense to let Brion handle some of the basic math problems in order to improve his abilities, while Taylor can focus on the more complex problems?

What I'm saying (in a twisted and probably indecipherable way) is that there are times where an experienced person isn't really going to gain much by doing something, while an inexperienced person could do the same thing and gain quite a bit.

If youre referring to that "no child left behind" stuff you can just stop right there!!

[Bo Pelinis Gum]

What I'm saying (in a twisted and probably indecipherable way) is that there are times where an experienced person isn't really going to gain much by doing something, while an inexperienced person could do the same thing and gain quite a bit.

In all seriousness I agree the number 2's should get in, I do, but it should be meaningful snaps, where he may have to go through a progression, maybe even make a check at the line. To just walk up, slap the center on the butt, take the snap and hand it off. I dont think thats getting the kind of experience that will make him better. Now if say in that Iowa game, Taylor takes the snap, spins around but his cleats stick to the turf and he pops his knee and blows something out, Bo looks like a huge donkey for not having Brion in there. Beyond that I dont think theres any experience loss risk there for not having the #2 in. This is just my opinion though.

[Bo Pelinis Gum]

That's like saying you wish 1995 would have never happened. Which may not be a bad idea so we could get some people on this board to quit waiting to be satisfied until a class goes 60-3 over their 4 years. Osborne should have just given us the death penalty from 93-97, would have made his job as AD and Bo's job as HC a lot easier.

And wed still be hung over from partying and celebrating a 9-4 season.

[AzHusker]

Cant tell if youre agreeing or disagreeing. Either way you bring up excellent points that I agree with. I think the offense could have made many excuses last year, but instead performed well in some games, and not so well in others. And instead of people pointing fingers, they worked hard and tried to improve. This year we should (hopefully) see dividends from that.

Agreeing. Just saying with an attitude like this one, you're going to get a few bruises this year...unless.....11-12 wins???????

It COULD happen.

[Pop Corn]

I think an analogy could be useful here. Let's say we have two math students (we'll call them Taylor and Brion).

Taylor is a little older and has already learned addition, subtraction, multiplication, and long division. He's been introduced to some algebra and is starting to grasp concepts like factoring and the quadratic formula.

Brion is a little younger. He has a firm grasp of addition and subtraction, and he does pretty well with multiplication and long division. Not quite to the level of the older, more experienced Taylor, but enough to be the second best. You don't want to throw anything too complex at him yet, because you're not quite sure where he stands.

Wouldn't it make sense to let Brion handle some of the basic math problems in order to improve his abilities, while Taylor can focus on the more complex problems?

What I'm saying (in a twisted and probably indecipherable way) is that there are times where an experienced person isn't really going to gain much by doing something, while an inexperienced person could do the same thing and gain quite a bit.

All analogies fail somewhere and I think this one might have a weakness in the weight of the outcome. How does failing a math test compare to losing a football game for NU?

[huskrthill]

All analogies fail somewhere and I think this one might have a weakness in the weight of the outcome. How does failing a math test compare to losing a football game for NU?

Ha ha! It's hard to argue that point.

[Huskerpilk]

Considering running an option to the short side of the field results in more negative plays than possitive, Ill just take your messages with a grain of salt.

But when they hit its usually 6...yeah!

[HskrTom]

I believe one of the reasons for runing to the short-side was the defense often had one less man defending that side. IIRC, the signature play TF made against Miami in the Orange Bowl was to the short-side.

[salmoninthesand]

Tweets and post are all fine and dandy, but I would like to see it...... We heard the same reports about the Progress Martinez is having with his throwing motion and footwork but when BTN comes through Lincoln what was quoted was "Martinez will never be a great thrower" which led me to believe that all the hype was being thrown just to get fans to stop nagging about his throwing ability. Similar to last year when we heard SOOOOOO MUCH about him being a better leader. Yet, he showed to be the same old up and down TM that we saw the first year. And from what I've saw thus far of fall camp, Martinez's throwing motion doesn't look much different than it one did..

I believe TM was a much better game manager last year than the year before, the new system didnt help much, but am hoping this year with BOTH Beck and TM having another year in the system it will provide more continuity and success. Don't forget, last year was Becks first year at calling the O.... With Tom and Bo there I have faith they will figure out the best thing for the program..

[Greatest Fan of All]

Been a long time since we had an Armstrong on the team, the last one I remember ended up an All-American, I think.

[ThotDoc]

All analogies fail somewhere and I think this one might have a weakness in the weight of the outcome. How does failing a math test compare to losing a football game for NU?

If only they let us keep those recommended textbooks.