Penn State can't get it right

[ThotDoc]

yes, because its hard for us to imagine how many people turned a blind eye.

Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught.

So true Pops. I am fascinated though, by how difficult it is for people to believe the truth because it does not square with their perceptual reality. It reminds me of those in Germany during WWII who refused to believe that the atrocities could be occurring in thier country.

[AzHusker]

So true Pops. I am fascinated though, by how difficult it is for people to believe the truth because it does not square with their perceptual reality. It reminds me of those in Germany during WWII who refused to believe that the atrocities could be occurring in thier country.

Thotdoc, you of anybody should understand this process...you are correct, it is the same that the German's experienced. It's really not too much different than the process that occurs when caring people experience other atrocities - such as the death of their child or spouse. The event is literally unfathomable - unthinkable - so they simply don't allow themselves to think about it. It doesn't fit into their mental reality.

Unfortunately, as in families of incest, the other factor at play is protecting the "family unit." Countless otherwise intelligent mothers have kept their mouths shut over the knowledge that hubbie/daddy is messing with their child. They know that to bring this information forward will be to destroy the family unit - so they "cope" by pushing it into the "unthinkable" category...

Sick, twisted, unhealthy, you bet, but it's happening in a family near you as we have this conversation.

I'm sure there are all kinds of loyal Penn State fans who are convinced to this day that those in the program (except perhaps Uncle Jer) did nothing wrong...

[4evrHusker]

It took a community to get PSU to the point they were at. The place is bad to the bone. Even if you buried it you would have to rope off the graveyard.

But, but, but, JOePa knew nothing about this....regardless of what the investigation turned up......

yes, because its hard for us to imagine how many people turned a blind eye.

Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught.

There are too many people more concerned about competing for a conference title than realizing the atrocities perpetrated by these men, on campus, and covered up by Paterno, to realize how pervasive the perversion is/was while Sandusky was there, being shielded by Paterno.

[Pops]

But, but, but, JOePa knew nothing about this....regardless of what the investigation turned up......



There are too many people more concerned about competing for a conference title than realizing the atrocities perpetrated by these men, on campus, and covered up by Paterno, to realize how pervasive the perversion is/was while Sandusky was there, being shielded by Paterno.

Sorry that includes the players..hell no I'm not sorry. If your a player and decided to stay..You can kiss my ass as well. You are no better than those that abused these children. If fact you are only making it worse.

[cm husker]

Sorry that includes the players..hell no I'm not sorry. If your a player and decided to stay..You can kiss my ass as well. You are no better than those that abused these children. If fact you are only making it worse.

This is just about the most idiotic statement I've ever read.

[BubbaGene]

Sorry that includes the players..hell no I'm not sorry. If your a player and decided to stay..You can kiss my ass as well. You are no better than those that abused these children. If fact you are only making it worse.

This is just about the most idiotic statement I've ever read.

It's not so idiotic to me. Matter of fact, I understand Pop's position pretty well. He's been quite clear on this issue.

[cm husker]

It's not so idiotic to me. Matter of fact, I understand Pop's position pretty well. He's been quite clear on this issue.

A 19 year old kid is just as culpable as the pedophile that committed acts when that kid was about 5?

Come on.

[Pops]

This is just about the most idiotic statement I've ever read.

ok and

I can tell by your response you have never helped a abused child have you ...yeah that is what is what I thought. You're a poster on a BBS and never get yourself involved with problems that dont affect you directlety.
You know how many family members i come in contact with every year that say what you just said.....hundreds!

The players at penn state are supporters of what happened under their watch......anyone of em could have said....NO F this i am embarrassed ...the kids are more important than my possible career,
So CM...keep the blinder on...seems they keep you from thinking


Support the players ...support child abuse... But hey...they may wear a blue ribbon ...to show their shame...........



WHAT A FRECKIN JOKE....i would hope people like Cm would evolve above football and look at the whole pictures.


win at all coats brother....thaT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING....LMAO

SUPPORT THE PLAYERS AT PSU.....THEY DIDNT KNOW
ok they found out.. now they just want to play.

[BubbaGene]

It's not so idiotic to me. Matter of fact, I understand Pop's position pretty well. He's been quite clear on this issue.

A 19 year old kid is just as culpable as the pedophile that committed acts when that kid was about 5?

Come on.

Think bigger picture, cm.

[Pops]

A 19 year old kid is just as culpable as the pedophile that committed acts when that kid was about 5?

Come on.

yes ...... DSM 5 will tell you that

[Pops]

Think bigger picture, cm.

Think the biggest he can go is 3 by 5

[Pops]

yep no one wants to speak the truth about kid abuse


go figure

[cm husker]

ok and

I can tell by your response you have never helped a abused child have you ...yeah that is what is what I thought. You're a poster on a BBS and never get yourself involved with problems that dont affect you directlety.
You know how many family members i come in contact with every year that say what you just said.....hundreds!

The players at penn state are supporters of what happened under their watch......anyone of em could have said....NO F this i am embarrassed ...the kids are more important than my possible career,
So CM...keep the blinder on...seems they keep you from thinking


Support the players ...support child abuse... But hey...they may wear a blue ribbon ...to show their shame...........



WHAT A FRECKIN JOKE....i would hope people like Cm would evolve above football and look at the whole pictures.


win at all coats brother....thaT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING....LMAO

SUPPORT THE PLAYERS AT PSU.....THEY DIDNT KNOW
ok they found out.. now they just want to play.

You're wrong out of the gate, so I didn't bother reading the rest of your typically ridiculous rant.

[RedEd]

That's completely missing the point, Red Dawn. I have nothing against the players, but why do I have to admire them? They've really done nothing... and I don't have issue with them. My guess is that staying there in most cases is actually easier than transferring. And...What is this "never before seen adversity"?.... Are they asked to play games with 20 lb. ankle weights and one hand behind their backs? RD, I really do see the point about it being not their fault, but that's the breaks. ALL players are faced with that risk playing for any school. Probation happens. Do you feel sorry for USC players that couldn't go to a bowl last year? Where's the love for them?

Jeezus, people.... quit feeling sorry for PSU players.... they are getting a free ride and get to play football ALL SEASON long. They are not heroes or even sympathetic figures.

I agree, they had their chance to leave. They can't complain if others complain about Penn State. They weren't blind and had to know the country will be looking at PSU with a microscope for a long time. If they didn't, then we should feel sorry for them only for being stupidly blinded.

[RedEd]

If the lawsuit by the trustees is successful, I doubt the end result will be a 4 year death penalty. For the action to be successful, the Court is most likely going to have to conclude that the NCAA acted wrongfully and against its own by-laws in handing out this punishment and it will make the NCAA look bad, not Penn State. Many may ultimately view Penn State as the victim if a Court finds the NCAA had no authority to handle the sanctions the way it did. The Court may also find that the school president did not have the authority to bind the University to such an agreement. I see this situation leading to the NCAA and Penn State trustees agreeing upon very similar sanctions, likely with an increase in financial penalties and a decrease in loss of scholarships/bowl games.

If you own a business and the person you put in charge signed off on an agreement that in effect killed your business but they did not have the authority to do so - would you just sit back and accept it or fight it? If you were a member of a club, and your existence relied upon that membership, and the club ignored all rules and regulations you agreed to as part of the joining process and punished you saying take this punishment or you are out of the club, would you have a problem that the club did not follow the agreed upon rules and procedures for investigation and punishment?

No doubt there is much to learn from the history of what happened at Penn State and the actions of Paterno and others, while not the actual perp, were just as horrific and harmful as those of the perp. But suspending the application or rules and laws in punishing is not the way to address it.

You mean like when I joined the military and now in retirement, the government says they never made the promises they made us about medical care for the rest of our lives? Yeah, i've been there.

[RedEd]

I trust everyone realizes that if the NCAA is permitted to punish in this manner, where does it end? What is stopping them from ignoring the rules next time when they decide a program has a problem? The rules and procedures are in place for a reason - all the NCAA needed to do was follow them.

I would think the NCAA knows their own rules and the sensitive nature of this whole thing and would have been careful to follow their own rules. I don't they have been working in a vacuum. The NCAA didn't just start thinking about this punishment until the Freeh report came out. They were, I believe, probably looking at it the options since last fall.

At any rate, how does anyone here know if they didn't follow their own rules. Your last sentence leads me to believe that you have a definite opinion that they didn't follow their own rules. Is this a fact?

[FeelLikeAStranger]

Penn State Board of Trustees close to ratifiying sanctions.

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8251823

That would leave the Paternos and former players holding an empty bag, it would seem. Looks like they realized they had NO other realistic option.

[hrbhskr]

Pops...your dead right on. Sure, these current players are not responsible for what happened to these kids. But NOW THAT THEY KNOW what was happening at this fine institution of higher learning over the past 10-20 years, and they choose not only to stay but to support their fine institution, then they have some serious issues. I would have been out the door because I wouldn't want my name anywhere near the words Penn St. Where is their honor. Where is their compassion for these victims. When talked to by the media afterwards, their only concern is playing football. They were all given the opportunity to go elsewhere without penalty. It is not just about them staying at Penn St., it is their entire attitude after the fact. Poor me...oh poor me. IMO, they deserved the death penalty. The way I read it, you stand up for Penn St without remorse for the victims, then you stand for child molesters.

[CombatTargeteer]

There is something about the PSU way.

[Pops]

You're wrong out of the gate, so I didn't bother reading the rest of your typically ridiculous rant.

your choice.....

You should enlighten us with your vast knowledge on the subject then so we can all have a better understanding why you would play and support the abuse