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    statues...

    Why don't we have a rule or something where one cannot erect a statue of a coach or administrator UNTIL after they're 6 feet under? I know we already have Tom Osborne up but that's paired with Brook Berringer...so that is kind of different...but still...

    your thoughts?

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    Great idea. Already customary in many places. I think maybe the trend in sports stadiums may go against tradition. It would be fine with me if they took down the one of Tom Osborne for that very reason. I'll bet you he would be fine with it as well.

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    I think there used to be a "statute" where a building couldn't be named for someone who was still alive, then they built the Devaney Center!
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    They have coached football...thats it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pops View Post
    They have coached football...thats it.

    Switzer, Huggins, Paterno, et al -- just salesmen

    I've been thinking a lot lately about images. How they're built, how they're sustained regardless of their truth or phoniness. And our part as reporters and columnists in perpetuating them.

    In the wake of the Freeh report, it can't be any more evident that much of what the public is fed and what it chooses to believe can be nothing more than a created facade.
    Bob Huggins, Barry Switzer, John Chaney and dozens of others. All different guys with different personal qualities and moral compasses but one common thread – they've never carried much pretense that the coaching gig was anything more profound than it is.
    ...some winning coaches are not as loved on a national scale as others. Venture beyond the boundaries of their respective regions and they can be downright loathed.

    Why? Sometimes because they don't give a damn about image. They don't have the time or patience or interest to erect the facade of someone more important than just a coach. They don't care to be known as anything but that.
    Different types of guys but one common trait: they weren't frauds. Their images linked up pretty much with what they were and are. They were salesmen selling a chance to tough kids from the streets and country shacks.

    What about Joe Paterno? Was he any different? No. He was, in fact, maybe the greatest salesman of them all. I'll never forget hearing the story told to me by Derrick Williams' dad of Paterno's relentless pursuit of his son, at one point chanting over the phone in a voicemail: “We need Derrick! We need Derrick!”

    Kids of varying character and background bore different results, just as with other coaches. For every John Shaffer there was a Curtis Enis. For every Bryan Scott, a LaVon Chisley. And a lot of in-betweens.

    Somehow it was OK for Paterno to pull a kid like Enis with straight Cs, Ds and Fs his senior year in high school off the railroad tracks near Greenville, Ohio, cleanse his academic standing at Kiski Prep, start him as a freshman at Penn State and watch him become an immediate star.

    But it wasn't OK for Switzer to take the same type of kid and run him through the same type of system to gain his eligibility and emerge in stardom. See, Switzer was a snake oil salesman and Paterno was a molder of men. And virtuous young men like Lee Roy Selmon? Well, they were just accidents at Oklahoma. At Penn State, they were evidence of The Grand Experiment.

    Some guys are labeled as heroes, others as villains, even though they are pretty much plucked from the same casting call.

    How does this sort of fabrication happen? Us. All of us.

    We all to some extent bought into the Paterno image and nourished it. The construction began with a flattering profile by the legendary Dan Jenkins in an October 1968 Sports Illustrated. It grew as one national scribe after another parachuted into State College for a weekend or two every year to write about the Ivy-educated Brooklynite with sophisticated ideas of what loftier goals college athletics could reach. And finally, it arced full circle to a kind column on Nov. 8 by Jenkins' equally talented daughter Sally that led to Paterno's final interview by her a few days before his death.

    By his second national title a quarter-century ago, the image of the benevolent Penn State Way was mature and only needed water and light, supplied by rationalizing writers, myself amply included.

    And yet, by Thursday, that storyline was fully involved in flames with Jenkins leading off her powerful Washington Post column by labeling Paterno a liar.

    Then again, the whole image was something of a distortion, wasn't it? That wasn't Paterno's fault. It was ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskers57 View Post
    I know we already have Tom Osborne up but that's paired with Brook Berringer...so that is kind of different...but still...

    your thoughts?
    No it is not different. The only difference is the character of the men the statues are honoring.
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    Oregon imposed a "Six Feet Under" rule after they previously named a building after a former employee... and then discovered he had been embezzling thousands of dollars from the school.

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    any coach who has spent any time in his position has things he has hoped would never become public. Thats the very nature of being in charge of a large organization. PR and spin control play a larger role today than in the 70s and 80s. The very nature of penn state having janitors who were afraid to speak up, for fear of their jobs--- that exists in almost every organization, whether its a large bank, insurance company, manufacturing co. or a non profit, even schools systems. As a teacher, I know it exists on my high school campus, today.

    Thats the system we must change. It will be exceedingly difficult. Taking down the powerful and well positioned, well it aint easy, some got there by knowing how to dodge a few of those little issues. Others got there by playing fair, and doing it the right way, all faced problems, some covered them up, some didnt.
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    I know Rocky resented his at times, even threw a motorcycle helmet at it once. But he was able to channel that anger to dethrone Clubber Lang, which was good. So I guess it can go either way.

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    I thought the statue was erected after Tom left and before he came back as AD... so technically...he was gone but not 6 feet under.

    I think they need to wait until they are retired. I'm sure that was the plan when Toms/Brooks was put up...but thank god that plan didn't pan out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTBugeater View Post
    I know Rocky resented his at times, even threw a motorcycle helmet at it once. But he was able to channel that anger to dethrone Clubber Lang, which was good. So I guess it can go either way.

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    They should put one of me at the west gate entrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPhoenix View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dead Redemption View Post
    Yes. Even pigeons need a place to go.

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    Statues for football coaches are just creepy. Even ours. Having BB in it and it being a "teaching moment" helps, but it's still weird. Little too much hero worship.

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    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mul...content.1.html

    Here is a nice photo gallery of 25 football statues ... there was only 1 that surprised me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wcbsas View Post
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mul...content.1.html

    Here is a nice photo gallery of 25 football statues ... there was only 1 that surprised me.
    Great link. Going through that made me feel even more strongly that schools should wait until the honorees have passed on, both to be sure, and because it is just too much hero worship. Nick Saban? Really?

    I can't think of a living person I admire more than Tom Osborne, both for what he has accomplished and how he did it. And I personally am certain there are no skeletons in his closet. But I think it would fantastic if Nebraska took this moment to remove his statue for now and put it in storage, so it could be re-installed and re-dedicated after he passes. The statue of Brooke of course could remain.

    What a powerful statement that would be.

    JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskernut View Post
    Great link. Going through that made me feel even more strongly that schools should wait until the honorees have passed on, both to be sure, and because it is just too much hero worship. Nick Saban? Really?

    I can't think of a living person I admire more than Tom Osborne, both for what he has accomplished and how he did it. And I personally am certain there are no skeletons in his closet. But I think it would fantastic if Nebraska took this moment to remove his statue for now and put it in storage, so it could be re-installed and re-dedicated after he passes. The statue of Brooke of course could remain.

    What a powerful statement that would be.

    JMO.
    Here are my thoughts when looking through the pictures ... almost every athlete - Earl Campbell, Ricky Williams, Tim Tebow, Steve Spurrier ... were Heisman Trophy winners. I'm thinking ... don't have a big issue, they accomplished a lot in the name of the school. If you can make an argument that those guys are worthy of having statues recognizing their accomplishments ... why wouldn't TO or Bear Bryant or Lou Holtz?
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    Personally, I'd love to see a statue showing our Head Coach (Devaney) talking to his Offensive Coordinator (Osborne) about a power option play to their star Fullback (Solich).

    That's the real story of Nebraska football right there.


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