Penn St learns fate at 9am Monday

[lincoln84]

What agreement? There is no agreement. These penalties are coming directly from an NCAA board made up of other university presidents through NCAA president Mark Emmertt. Penn State only learned about these penalties today and they may only have learned about them through a "source" and not the NCAA. The NCAA isn't issuing any report like they issue when a school goes through the infractions committee, they're using the Freeh report in place of their own report. The only reason Penn State "can't" appeal is that there's nobody to appeal to in this case other than the judicial system. The infractions committee isn't issuing these sanctions so they can't appeal to the infractions appeals committee.

This was something discussed on PSU fan boards. They initially thought they could appeal but someone posted that would not be the case. They did not exude your knowledge or logic however. Their fans are still pretty much in denial.

[McJack]

This was something discussed on PSU fan boards. They initially thought they could appeal but someone posted that would not be the case. They did not exude your knowledge or logic however. Their fans are still pretty much in denial.

Have any good links to those PSU fan boards? And not because I have any intention of signing up and piling on, lurking purposes only, just curious how the general fanship is dealing with this.

[lincoln84]

http://bwi.rivals.com/forum.asp?fid=36

[huskernut]

I don't think it's that a big deal some of their message board fans are in denial. I'll bet many here would be too.

I do think it's a big deal that in-denial Board of Trustee members were elected.

[One Man Jury]

What happened at Penn State is horrible and there should be consequences to the university. However, how is it that the NCAA thinks it an be the prosecutor, judge and jury of all things connected to a member institution. I hope someone sues the NCAA and that the NCAA gets its just reward -- the death penalty.

I agree. Penn State will be sued for 10s of millions of $$$$ without any help whatsoever from the NCAA. Why does the NCAA think it can take 10s of millions of $$$$ from Penn State when the victims will get this in the courts anyway? Is the NCAA going to give that money back when Penn State gets hit with multi-million dollar judgments? I don't think so. The consequences are in the civil justice system, NOT in NCAA sanctions. Get real, NCAA.

[huskernut]

I agree. Penn State will be sued for 10s of millions of $$$$ without any help whatsoever from the NCAA. Why does the NCAA think it can take 10s of millions of $$$$ from Penn State when the victims will get this in the courts anyway? Is the NCAA going to give that money back when Penn State gets hit with multi-million dollar judgments? I don't think so. The consequences are in the civil justice system, NOT in NCAA sanctions. Get real, NCAA.

Civil liability of the school toward the victims is a separate issue from the sanctions by the NCAA. The NCAA is claiming the right to regulate this under lack of institutional control. I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA doesn't say the fines received will be used for some worthy purpose.

[One Man Jury]

What agreement? There is no agreement. These penalties are coming directly from an NCAA board made up of other university presidents through NCAA president Mark Emmertt. Penn State only learned about these penalties today and they may only have learned about them through a "source" and not the NCAA. The NCAA isn't issuing any report like they issue when a school goes through the infractions committee, they're using the Freeh report in place of their own report. The only reason Penn State "can't" appeal is that there's nobody to appeal to in this case other than the judicial system. The infractions committee isn't issuing these sanctions so they can't appeal to the infractions appeals committee.

Yeah, I read they will not appeal regardless of the sanction. This would be irresponsible. The university is going to be slammed with civil judgments, and this is old-fashioned piling on. If the NCAA thinks it can impose a $60 million penalty (which is the rumor), Penn State had better act responsibly and appeal, or it may wind up paying that $60 million penalty twice. Such a penalty would be beyond the scope of the NCAA's powers. Just because Penn State is a member of the NCAA does not mean the NCAA can impose unanticipated penalties upon Penn State because it doesn't like what Sandusky did and what Joe Pa did not do. There are expectations by the schools concerning what powers they believe the NCAA possesses. If there is an unexpected, unreasonable penalty, Penn State has to appeal it. The NCAA has no business creating a new fund for abused children by imposing any fine at all on Penn State; that's not what the NCAA is for.

[bilsker]

http://bwi.rivals.com/forum.asp?fid=36

Wow. I guess I can't say I'm surprised but the level of denial and stupidity running rampant on that board is troubling. These people are filled with hate for all the WRONG people.

One person is talking about being punnished over "allegations". Allegations? Another says his kid will be leaving penn state...because of the BOARD OF TRUSTEES! (the BOT and the president are apparently the ones to blame now).

How embarrassing it must be for the 1 or 2% of PSU fans that don't have their heads up their backsides.

[bilsker]

Add the governor to the list of those PSU fans want to strangle...

God...I wish they'd get the death penalty just so we don't have to hear about Penn Flippin State for a few years. When they come rolling in to Lincoln this fall that is ALL that will be talked about.

And please...enough of "punishing innocent players". While not a perfect situation most of them will be able to transfer...that's the way it is...some innocent people will be inconvenienced by the punishment. But it's really Penn State as a whole that is going to be punished by gutting thier football program and Penn State as a whole ENTIRELY deserves that. And more.

[huskernut]

Yeah, I read they will not appeal regardless of the sanction. This would be irresponsible. The university is going to be slammed with civil judgments, and this is old-fashioned piling on. If the NCAA thinks it can impose a $60 million penalty (which is the rumor), Penn State had better act responsibly and appeal, or it may wind up paying that $60 million penalty twice. Such a penalty would be beyond the scope of the NCAA's powers. Just because Penn State is a member of the NCAA does not mean the NCAA can impose unanticipated penalties upon Penn State because it doesn't like what Sandusky did and what Joe Pa did not do. There are expectations by the schools concerning what powers they believe the NCAA possesses. If there is an unexpected, unreasonable penalty, Penn State has to appeal it. The NCAA has no business creating a new fund for abused children by imposing any fine at all on Penn State; that's not what the NCAA is for.

I think that's their strongest argument. I'm not sure they'll try and make it though.

[ThotDoc]

Wow. I guess I can't say I'm surprised but the level of denial and stupidity running rampant on that board is troubling. These people are filled with hate for all the WRONG people.

One person is talking about being punnished over "allegations". Allegations? Another says his kid will be leaving penn state...because of the BOARD OF TRUSTEES! (the BOT and the president are apparently the ones to blame now).

How embarrassing it must be for the 1 or 2% of PSU fans that don't have their heads up their backsides.

Some are in shock and some are in denial and some are just embarrassed. Their god is dead.

[Red Crawdad]

Among other penalties, reports are now coming that PSU will face a $30-60 million fine.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...tball/19632027

Added to the future settlements with the victims, PSU will be paying a heavy fine. BUT, doing a quick look at their endowment figures they could cover this penalty without much pain. Heck, the PSU fan base in 2011 donated $136 million to the endowment, giving it a total of $1.83 billion.

http://live.psu.edu/story/54960

[BGRed]

Add the governor to the list of those PSU fans want to strangle...

God...I wish they'd get the death penalty just so we don't have to hear about Penn Flippin State for a few years. When they come rolling in to Lincoln this fall that is ALL that will be talked about.

And please...enough of "punishing innocent players". While not a perfect situation most of them will be able to transfer...that's the way it is...some innocent people will be inconvenienced by the punishment. But it's really Penn State as a whole that is going to be punished by gutting thier football program and Penn State as a whole ENTIRELY deserves that. And more.

Referring back to my earlier post:

I've been struggling with mixed feelings about the magnitude of the penalties on innocent students/players from other sports. But, then I waded through through the comments under the CBS News article and this statement summed it up for me.

Children were sacrificed to save Penn States Football's Legacy. It's only right that Penn States Football be sacrificed to save society's legacy............

[BGRed]

Wow. I guess I can't say I'm surprised but the level of denial and stupidity running rampant on that board is troubling. These people are filled with hate for all the WRONG people.

One person is talking about being punnished over "allegations". Allegations? Another says his kid will be leaving penn state...because of the BOARD OF TRUSTEES! (the BOT and the president are apparently the ones to blame now).

How embarrassing it must be for the 1 or 2% of PSU fans that don't have their heads up their backsides.

The one that really is concerning is the comparison of Joe Paterno to Jesus Christ.
http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fi...id=890&style=2

[coherbie]

campus police knew in 1998, a janitor witnessed an encounter in 2000, the local high school coach knew in 2008... so this innocent little Happy Valley/Mayberry routine is getting old.

State College needs to move past Denial.

[CombatTargeteer]

burn baby burn

[ThotDoc]

campus police knew in 1998, a janitor witnessed an encounter in 2000, the local high school coach knew in 2008... so this innocent little Happy Valley/Mayberry routine is getting old.

State College needs to move past Denial.

But I didn't see it so it didn't happen.

[FCHusker]

That hammer has been dropped.

[McJack]

wow, must vacate all wins from 1998 to present. Someone isn't the winningest coach of all time anymore

[CottonsLeftNut]

That hammer has been dropped.

$60 million in fines
No Bowl games or post-season play for 4 years
Scholies reduced by 10 per year for 4 years
All current players can transfer without sitting out
5 year probation
Wins from 1998-2011 are all vacated