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Thread: A look at how Pubs intend to stop millions from voting

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusboy View Post
    What facts in the piece do you dispute?

    Do you disagree that the Voting Rights Act has in it that "'intent' doesn't matter, effects do."
    The United States Supreme Court has already upheld the legality of Voter ID laws under the Constitution and the Voting Rights Act. This is settled law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBlack&Blue View Post
    Seriously? Pretty lame comeback. (I don't watch MSNBC.)

    It's not hard to figure out what the Pubs are doing.

    The touchy reaction from the right tells me there's fire under the smoke.
    Lame comeback? What are you, in High School?

    What do you want for a response when the question is so grossly ignorant? How about the only reason this is being brought up is that the extreme left has no real substance to argue on? Or how about the only way a liberal can win is to lie and mis-characterize the argument because the basis is simple common sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogahusker View Post
    How is asking for an ID and/or voter registration card a bad thing? Seriously.
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    Using minorities and the poor for political gain is disgusting. Shame on the Dems.
    I agree with the ID thing. It is not hard to get identification in this country if you are here legally. Dems use minorities and the poor for political gain, Pubs use them to die in the middle east. Well, I should have just about pissed off everyone on this board with the last sentence so my work is done here. Have a good night everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusboy View Post
    It's only racism if the people doing it say it's racism.
    Your source conceded it isn't necessarily racist. Why do you think it is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CornfieldCounty View Post
    Lame comeback? What are you, in High School?

    What do you want for a response when the question is so grossly ignorant? How about the only reason this is being brought up is that the extreme left has no real substance to argue on? Or how about the only way a liberal can win is to lie and mis-characterize the argument because the basis is simple common sense?

    This has truly hit a nerve. It's telling.

    Marginalizing the poor and disenfranchised is a common, well worn, much used tactic of the Republican Party.

    This is just one more example.

    I don't think it'll make that much difference, however.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...ist/56224900/1

    Florida has agreed that it can challenge voters only if the state provides a "unique identifier," such as an "alien number," for each person in question. Alien numbers generally are assigned to foreigners living in the country legally, often with visas or other permits such as green cards.
    Unless they become naturalized citizens, however, they cannot vote.
    The agreement will prevent Florida from using only a name and birthdate to seek federal data about a suspected noncitizen on voter rolls.
    The SAVE list is unlikely to catch illegal immigrants in any state who might have managed to register to vote because such people typically would not have an alien number.
    So, since voting fraud by illegal aliens isn't really a big problem, I have a hard time seeing how Pubs are going to gain anything with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoREDo View Post
    I agree with the ID thing. It is not hard to get identification in this country if you are here legally. Dems use minorities and the poor for political gain, Pubs use them to die in the middle east. Well, I should have just about pissed off everyone on this board with the last sentence so my work is done here. Have a good night everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChitownHusker View Post
    The United States Supreme Court has already upheld the legality of Voter ID laws under the Constitution and the Voting Rights Act. This is settled law.
    So does that mean we all agree that intent doesn't matter and effect does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoREDo View Post
    I agree with the ID thing. It is not hard to get identification in this country if you are here legally. Dems use minorities and the poor for political gain, Pubs use them to die in the middle east. Well, I should have just about pissed off everyone on this board with the last sentence so my work is done here. Have a good night everyone.
    IF there is to ever be voter ID laws they shouldn't take place for at least 2 years after the law passes. If we have to phase in the HC law to accommodate businesses we should dot he same to accommodate voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4evrHusker View Post

    Convicted felons cannot vote,
    not always true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusboy View Post
    IF there is to ever be voter ID laws they shouldn't take place for at least 2 years after the law passes. If we have to phase in the HC law to accommodate businesses we should dot he same to accommodate voters.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusboy View Post
    IF there is to ever be voter ID laws they shouldn't take place for at least 2 years after the law passes. If we have to phase in the HC law to accommodate businesses we should dot he same to accommodate voters.
    Why couldn't legal residents get a valid ID before the upcoming election?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoREDo View Post
    I agree with the ID thing. It is not hard to get identification in this country if you are here legally. Dems use minorities and the poor for political gain, Pubs use them to die in the middle east. Well, I should have just about pissed off everyone on this board with the last sentence so my work is done here. Have a good night everyone.
    Dems represent the needs of minorities and the poor quite a bit better than the other side, but I'm not sure how this story--a variety of Republican led states trying to get out from under the Voting Rights Act--shows Dems "using" some of their core constituents. Of course they want their votes. Republicans want their core constituents to vote for Republicans.

    I know some Republicans are going to get emotional when racial politics come up, just as some Democrats do, but again, Southern Strategy. This is just another example of something that's been going on since the 1960s. As noted above, Mitt Romney's Dad walked out of the RNC because of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoREDo View Post
    Why couldn't legal residents get a valid ID before the upcoming election?
    If the numbers involved are true, I'm sure the states couldn't even get them issued in time. And in any case, it would probably require some community organizing to make it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskernut View Post
    If the numbers involved are true, I'm sure the states couldn't even get them issued in time. And in any case, it would probably require some community organizing to make it happen.
    If you needed ID to get DirecTV or a pizza, I am sure people would make it happen. Maybe not for this election, but for all future ones proper identification should be required to vote IMO. I just don't see the big deal. My mother hasn't driven in years and she has a state issued ID.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBlack&Blue View Post
    Seriously? Pretty lame comeback. (I don't watch MSNBC.)

    It's not hard to figure out what the Pubs are doing.

    The touchy reaction from the right tells me there's fire under the smoke.

    No thats actually smoldering crapola!



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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoREDo View Post
    If you needed ID to get DirecTV or a pizza, I am sure people would make it happen. Maybe not for this election, but for all future ones proper identification should be required to vote IMO. I just don't see the big deal. My mother hasn't driven in years and she has a state issued ID.
    I agree with you. I was just agreeing with Cactus Boy it should be phased in (if the numbers 7-10% are anywhere close). The dynamic capacity of DMVs is just right to provide lousy service to people getting their first licenses and renewals - no way it can handle this many people in 3 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBlack&Blue View Post
    Seriously? Pretty lame comeback. (I don't watch MSNBC.)

    It's not hard to figure out what the Pubs are doing.

    The touchy reaction from the right tells me there's fire under the smoke.
    If you and those on the left were consistently (and wrongly) accused of being child molesters, how would you characterize your reaction? Touchy?

    This "Republicans are racists" nonsense is nothing but a leftist smear campaign with which the media are more than willing to participate.

    You know the Democrats are desperate when this is the type of crap they have to pull to get elected. Are the Republican boogeymen also going to starve old people while laughing at them through criminal teeth?


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    Quote Originally Posted by huskernut View Post
    The dynamic capacity of DMVs is just right to provide lousy service to people getting their first licenses and renewals - no way it can handle this many people in 3 months.
    They might have to open 3 of their 12 windows instead of the standard 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoREDo View Post
    They might have to open 3 of their 12 windows instead of the standard 2.

    Do you have any idea the training required to be that rude?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusboy View Post
    So does that mean we all agree that intent doesn't matter and effect does?
    No, I think I just said the opposite. It means that your pundit, as pundits are wont to do, engaged in a highly simplistic analysis of a highly complex issue. There are other factors at play that the Supreme Court has required be considered. Your pundit makes it sounds like it is automatically invalid if it has a disparate impact on racial minorities. That is not the case. Other factors to be considered include the level of burden imposed on the voter and the legitimacy of the state interest to be protected by the statute.
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