Supreme Court Rules on Affordable Care Act

[Nishioka]

He gave himself a pretty big out. 1. We have to wait 5 years and 2. EVERYTHING in the bill has to be implemented (he can already say the medicaid expansion will not be implemented).

Plus I'm sure the irony of him leaving the United States for a country that has universal health care won't be lost on very many people.

[RedPhoenix]

Life expectancy = better health care?

By that, there are a lot of countries that have a lower life expectancy than the US and have state health care.

Yup. There are.

[CornfieldCounty]

38th in life expectancy.
49th in infant mortality.
57th in heart disease.
1st in obesity.
1st in per-capita spending.

Not disputing the numbers, but explain how a SP system will improve those?

[RedPhoenix]

Plus I'm sure the irony of him leaving the United States for a country that has universal health care won't be lost on very many people.

He'd move to the libertarian dream country of Somalia.

[Chi-Town Cube]

You can't compare other countries to us. For how much we don't take care of ourselves our life expectancy is out standing.

I am going to disagree here. You can compare industrialized countries to a point.

We are too fat. They smoke too much. There are dietary issues all around. But, I think it is completely legit to compare countries where numbers aren't being skewed by war, famine, or infectious disease.

On that note, I would argue that I think life expectancy is a stupid metric. I think too much weight is put onto it. I would also argue that I don't believe that any new advances are going to "extend life" as a country or as a species by much. All told, a typical human that avoids the pitfalls of heart disease, cancer, and accidents will most often live to about 80. Maybe more, maybe less, but I would argue that expecting much more quality or quantity of life after that is semantics.

What would be of the biggest benefit would be trying to find a way to diminish the tail of the life expectancy curve, those that succumb (most often to heart disease or cancer) in the prime of their lives. Some of that needs to be lifestyle choice, but we really haven't seen a tremendous amount of progress made in a lot of diseases. In the process we have dramatically increased the cost.

100 years ago, you lived your life until you got sick and died, typically in a quick fashion. Nowadays, too frequently we just drag it out fighting battles for which there is no hope of winning.

[kpaso]

You should be able to articulate what needs to be done for you with much more authority than I can. All I have done is point out that you are blaming the government for your (potential) failure. I've then utilized the conservative argument that if others can do it then there is nothing preventing you from doing it. I've also said that if you don't like failing, you should be better at what you do (another conservative argument). I'll also add that if you do fail, it was because you likely made the wrong decisions.

If you want specifics, I'll need access to your financials and business plans. You can PM me those.

Another floundering statement. So you admit you don't know the first thing about how my business runs or should run or how Obamacare will affect it. You are the master of slinging mud and seeing if some of it sticks. You have proven that you are indeed clueless about this business.

[Chi-Town Cube]

38th in life expectancy.
49th in infant mortality.
57th in heart disease.
1st in obesity.
1st in per-capita spending.

Just make it to 80 and our healthcare system really starts working for ya!

Some of that data is skewed by our heroic attempts to save the lives of some premature babies which drives some of the neonatal/infant mortality data.

But, the point is well taken. You cannot discount the role that lifestyle choices make in those numbers either.

[huskernut]

Bye Rush

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0...ml?ref=twitter

That was from over 2 years ago. It's come down to just this election for him, and he's going to need full Republican control. That's asking a lot.

[Huskers57]

rush is gonna die soon enough anyways...unless he starts to take better care of his body.

[RedPhoenix]

Another floundering statement. So you admit you don't know the first thing about how my business runs or should run or how Obamacare will affect it. You are the master of slinging mud and seeing if some of it sticks. You have proven that you are indeed clueless about this business.

I never claimed to be an expert in your business. I do know quite a bit about how to run a business and how one should run it. It really isn't rocket science. You are the one blaming others for your (potential) failure and seeking to play the victim role. I agree, I am the master. But it's at turning your own arguments around on you.

Quit blaming others for your personal/business failures.

Think outside the box.

Your failure would be a direct result of bad decisions you've made.

If you want to be successful the government isn't preventing you from doing that. Especially if others in your business end up being very successful. In short, it won't be the government that causes you to fail, it will be your fault.

But in all honesty, I don't even think it will happen. I think you'll end up retiring very comfortably at the time and place of your choice.

[CornfieldCounty]

I never claimed to be an expert in your business. I do know quite a bit about how to run a business and how one should run it. It really isn't rocket science. You are the one blaming others for your (potential) failure and seeking to play the victim role. I agree, I am the master. But it's at turning your own arguments around on you.

Quit blaming others for your personal/business failures.

Think outside the box.

Your failure would be a direct result of bad decisions you've made.

If you want to be successful the government isn't preventing you from doing that. Especially if others in your business end up being very successful. In short, it won't be the government that causes you to fail, it will be your fault.

But in all honesty, I don't even think it will happen. I think you'll end up retiring very comfortably at the time and place of your choice.

Same could be said for individuals and taking care of themselves

[CombatTargeteer]

Well at least the Supreme Court has ruled the President is a liar and by a 5-4 vote. It is a tax and always was a tax.

[RedPhoenix]

Same could be said for individuals and taking care of themselves

Finally someone sees the parallel. Kudos CC!

[Big Red Rick]

Obama is a liar because he's now taxing the poor.

That's right. But Bush appointed Roberts so Obama can either gloat in victory if this works out, or STILL blame Bush.

[Nebraska1]

It was always a tax. This was one of the arguments used when defending it to the Supremes. It just was kept low key because saying the word tax in todays political environment is like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater.

[cm husker]

It was always a tax. This was one of the arguments used when defending it to the Supremes. It just was kept low key because saying the word tax in todays political environment is like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater.

"It was always a tax."

What exactly is "it"? That a very important definition.

The mandate provides a choice: Buy insurance or pay a tax/penalty.

It is not a tax raise on general public. The typical American won't see a raise in taxes based on this decision or the ACA generally (though other costs may be passed to them in other ways).

We just need to be real clear about what the decision says and what the law requires.

[Nishioka]

That's right. But Bush appointed Roberts so Obama can either gloat in victory if this works out, or STILL blame Bush.

[FLA4NEB]

It was always a tax. This was one of the arguments used when defending it to the Supremes. It just was kept low key because saying the word tax in todays political environment is like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater.

So you admit President Obama lied about Obamacare funding.

[Nebraska1]

So you admit President Obama lied about Obamacare funding.

Nope. He was just playing politics. Just like the boys on the other side of the aisle. If you take points away for playing fast and lose with the truth, we would have very few people left in DC.

[Nebraska1]

"It was always a tax."

What exactly is "it"? That a very important definition.

The mandate provides a choice: Buy insurance or pay a tax/penalty.

It is not a tax raise on general public. The typical American won't see a raise in taxes based on this decision or the ACA generally (though other costs may be passed to them in other ways).

We just need to be real clear about what the decision says and what the law requires.

It is the Affordable Care Act.