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Thread: Great Quote from Biden About Romney's "Jobs"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Showman View Post
    Certainly agree about Congress.
    But not about POTUS, huh? Of course not, you'd have to admit Obama is a large part of the problem, and I guess you won't ever do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Showman View Post
    He's in process, but boy did he miss that 6 month deadline I pulled out of my derriere. I was just hoping someone else had the magic number he should have been gunning for. 9 months? That sounds fair.
    How about almost 4 years? That sounds like a reasonable amount of time, to show at least a lot more measurable progress than we see to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Showman View Post
    McCain/Palin would've fixed that economy in a jiffy, yessirreebob. I think there's some truth to what Biden says and of course some simplicity to it, but it's tough to argue the simple truth that a job created in Singapore much more indirectly ends up creating jobs here than, you know, a job created here in the first place. If you're talking in the immediate, let's-look-at-the-monthly-unemployment-rates-and-beat-our-politicians-over-the-head-about-it and not in any kind of a strategic sense, that is. I'd feel worse for Mitt if he wasn't pounding Obama with the same immediate numbers and ignoring how it's a longer term proposition to turn an economy around that was as messed up, locally and globally, as it was in 2008. Can't have it both ways...oh, wait, this is Mitt Romney we're talking about. Of course you can.



    Quote Originally Posted by huskrthill View Post
    How long do you need?
    ...took the country fourteen years and a World War the last time we had a recession this bad. 3.5 doesn't sound like so long in comparison, no?


    Quote Originally Posted by cm husker View Post
    I think there is zero doubt that the administration's inability to articulate and create a predictable regulatory and taxation scheme have had a significant impact on growth. People are still in "wait and see" mode because his admin seems more interested in campaigning than in governing.

    I grant you that our Congress hasn't been good either, but they don't have the same bully pit that the President has squandered so far (and said some very economically stupid things from... e.g. his last STOTU).

    Anyway, fixing Congress would require attracting intelligent people who are interested in legislating. Our current system isn't set up that way.
    That is the most bothersome GOP talking point. Uncertainty is always a reality and the recession has caused far more of it than any President/administration could.
    "The purpose of argument, should not be victory, but progress." proverb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Husker Mort View Post





    ...took the country fourteen years and a World War the last time we had a recession this bad. 3.5 doesn't sound like so long in comparison, no?




    That is the most bothersome GOP talking point. Uncertainty is always a reality and the recession has caused far more of it than any President/administration could.


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    Thank God for Obama saving and transforming our economy albeit slower than any (including him) would like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McKinneyTXHusker View Post
    How about almost 4 years? That sounds like a reasonable amount of time, to show at least a lot more measurable progress than we see to date.
    Well I think we all know one side takes a glass half empty view of what's been accomplished in 4 years and the other takes the other viewpoint. Either way, there's still room in the glass to be filled, I get that. I do think you can point to measurable progress, and of course you can point to that nasty unemployment number. I really don't believe anything a Republican administration would have done the last four years would have been any better on that front, I think it has a lot more to do with some sea changes in the economy worldwide and how some jobs just aren't coming back, from the grave or from other shores. Anecdotally I have seen business conditions and the fortunes of a variety of unemployed friends and associates improve over the last 4 years, but as my wife loves to say on her message boards, anecdote does not equal data so I won't belabor that too much.

    I do have to wonder if we would have seen the Tea Party rise, or ever start at all, if McCain had won. If so I have to wonder how much austerity would have rained down on us from 2010 onward and what kind of shape the employment numbers would be in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Husker Mort View Post
    ...took the country fourteen years and a World War the last time we had a recession this bad. 3.5 doesn't sound like so long in comparison, no?
    Yeah, and many historians believe that certain actions after '29 and '31 were instrumental in prolonging the misery. Executive leadership matters.

    That is the most bothersome GOP talking point. Uncertainty is always a reality and the recession has caused far more of it than any President/administration could.
    It's not a GOP talking point... I've had a chance to speak to and listen to some folks pretty high in the financial and general corporate industries, and they are extremely confused by the administration's mixed signals. Many of them are democrats, too.

    Other uncertainties definite impact the decision making, but we are aggravating them with our own policies, or lack thereof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm husker View Post
    Yeah, and many historians believe that certain actions after '29 and '31 were instrumental in prolonging the misery. Executive leadership matters.



    It's not a GOP talking point... I've had a chance to speak to and listen to some folks pretty high in the financial and general corporate industries, and they are extremely confused by the administration's mixed signals. Many of them are democrats, too.

    Other uncertainties definite impact the decision making, but we are aggravating them with our own policies, or lack thereof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huskrthill View Post
    I liked his quote that basically admitted that we are still in a recession, at least by perception if not statistics. 3 1/2 years of Obama-Biden and nothing to show for it. Thanks for being honest, Joe.
    thanks for keeping your blinders on.

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    damn...we're getting better...may still be not where we want to be but we're definitely better off than 3.5 years ago. give credit for once! it won't kill you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskers57 View Post
    thanks for keeping your blinders on.
    Quote Originally Posted by Huskers57 View Post
    damn...we're getting better...may still be not where we want to be but we're definitely better off than 3.5 years ago. give credit for once! it won't kill you!
    Better off by what measure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskrthill View Post
    Better off by what measure?
    would you rather have things EVEN worse than what they were 3.5 years ago?

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    we were in an absolutely helliacious hole 3.5 years ago and we've come out of it, yes slowly, but anything now is better than the helliacous hole we were facing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskers57 View Post
    damn...we're getting better...may still be not where we want to be but we're definitely better off than 3.5 years ago. give credit for once! it won't kill you!
    Quote Originally Posted by huskrthill View Post
    Better off by what measure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Huskers57 View Post
    would you rather have things EVEN worse than what they were 3.5 years ago?

    btw, how's that supposed presidential campaign of yours going?
    Quote Originally Posted by Huskers57 View Post
    we were in an absolutely helliacious hole 3.5 years ago and we've come out of it, yes slowly, but anything now is better than the helliacous hole we were facing.
    So you can't answer the question. Thanks.

    My campaign is going just fine. Have you arrested any other police officers lately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskrthill View Post
    So you can't answer the question. Thanks.
    more people ahve been covered by insurance that could be wiped out by the SCOTUS tomorrow, more people have been able to find employment as shown by the drop in unemployment rates, need i go on? we've gotten out of 1 war, and tryign to close another...

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    the problem is the damn conservatives just want to beat obama and they don't even have a plan of how to do it...even romney hasn't said how he'd repeal the act if it wasn't knocked down by the scotus. I'm done talking about this stupid election until november. a waste of billions of dollars in advertisement/negative campaigning when tehy could actually put that money to better use and they refuse.

    you want to fix the affordable care act?

    look [darn] closely at section 1332. if people would have read about it, they wouldn't have to bring this whole thing to the SCOTUS.

    and no matter how politicans wnat to paint it tomorrow, the real losers are the american people who had gotten better coverage thanks to this act...

    and the real CANCER on this country is CONGRESS.

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    1332 doesn't provide an alternative, in the least, for several reasons, both statutory and political.
    "We need education in the obvious more than investigation of the obscure."

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    So the United States government makes it overly expensive from a tax and regulatory standpoint to do business in this country and our President and his VP blame private enterprise for making the best decisions for their long term viability?

    It is very scary that these people are leading our country.

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    27 straight months of private sector job growth, around 4 million jobs created since Obama took office.
    I cried because I had no shoes until I saw a man that had no feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nems View Post
    So the United States government makes it overly expensive from a tax and regulatory standpoint to do business in this country and our President and his VP blame private enterprise for making the best decisions for their long term viability?

    It is very scary that these people are leading our country.
    Hhhhmmmm....let's see

    1. stock market up a great deal since Obama took office.
    2. record corporate profits since Obama took office.

    Seems like business under Obama is doing just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm husker View Post
    Yeah, and many historians believe that certain actions after '29 and '31 were instrumental in prolonging the misery. Executive leadership matters.
    ...can't even give FDR credit? One of the greatest to ever sit in the office and he doesn't earn your approval -- I guess Obama is in good company.
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