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Thread: The Fiscal Legacy of George W Bush

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    This got me to thinking about politicians. What I wrote might be taken to mean that it isn't possible to be a politician and be a very gifted individual. I'm not saying that. In fact, while experienced and capable, Romney isn't particularly gifted in politics, like he is in being an executive. I think in my lifetime though, both Reagan and Clinton had political gifts that allowed them to be very effective Presidents. If there was someone of their caliber on offer from either party I might favor them.

    Obama is a good guy, and he is smart enough to understand what is going on around him. But I don't think he is smart or visionary enough to create, and his raw political skills don't compare to a Reagan or Clinton either.

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    Both sides are equally to blame.

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    So are you suggesting there is an expiration date on blame?

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    In the end, does it matter that it's Bush's fault? Obama has failed in his term to fix anything and could have possibly made things worse.

    Time to give the next guy a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redmachine View Post
    In the end, does it matter that it's Bush's fault? Obama has failed in his term to fix anything and could have possibly made things worse.
    disagree on this aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akweasel View Post

    Again, I see the far right and far left as the equal problem......and biggest reason we won't soon have any solutions in this country beyond more bickering.
    It seems to me that this is ultimately the condition that we find ourselves in. I've lost hope that the complete collection of doofuses in D.C. can even balance their own personal checkbooks, much less our nation's.
    (old Gaelic saying) Chan eil h-uile facal sireadh freagairt. Not every question requires an answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskers57 View Post
    disagree on this aspect.
    Duly noted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akweasel View Post
    Again, I see the far right and far left as the equal problem......and biggest reason we won't soon have any solutions in this country beyond more bickering.
    Yes, exactly. Bickering on HM, all the way up to bickering in Congress!

    Quote Originally Posted by Showman View Post
    And yes, our current malaise continues to be George W Bush's fault. Period.
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    Will be interesting to hear what a few of the right wing ideologues on here have to say about this....
    The clearest example of idealogues here are those who continue to insist "its entirely the fault of the other side!" (See above)

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskrthill View Post
    Was there anything significant that happened after January 2001 that might have had an effect?
    The significant thing that happened was BUSH. Example: the NASDAQ was at 4000 toward the end of the year 2000, and then W took it down to 1500 in 2003. Thanks Bush!!

    W made some significant missteps but if we're not willing to be rational and place "blame" where it belongs instead of where our emotions guide us, we will continue to get what we've been getting (which is to say, we're doomed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskrthill View Post
    Was there anything significant that happened after January 2001 that might have had an effect?
    Fall of the Husker empire.

    Everything is Solich's fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoREDo View Post
    Fall of the Husker empire.

    Everything is Solich's fault.
    hehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Showman View Post
    I don't see this as much as a hindsight exercise as a warning. Similar failed policies will continue under a Mitt Romney Presidency and it will further sink our country. And yes, our current malaise continues to be George W Bush's fault. Period.
    Amazing. I had no idea that a single man could do so much damage, even 3 1/2 years after leaving office. The question is, did he do it all on purpose? Is he an evil mastermind behind the scenes while publicly playing the simpleton doofus?

    Creating the narrative that everything is Bush's fault is convenient. If things eventually improve (which they will, no matter who is in office), Obama will be hailed as the savior. Until that time, keep blaming Bush. Blaming others is what liberals tend to be best at. It's someone else's fault I'm poor, it's someone else's fault I did poorly in school, it's someone else's fault I can't get a job... it's always someone else's fault. Liberals seem to hate looking in the mirror when it comes to solving problems.

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    As asked earlier in this thread, when does Obama have to start claiming responsibility for his actions, or more importantly, his inactions? Does he get a free pass for the last 4 years in office?

    How long until the "Blame Bush" battle cry fades away?

    I have no problem saddling Bush with a large part of the financial mess we're in (not the entire mess, however) but Obama's pledge to get us out of that mess hasn't worked. He's failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redmachine View Post
    As asked earlier in this thread, when does Obama have to start claiming responsibility for his actions, or more importantly, his inactions? Does he get a free pass for the last 4 years in office?

    How long until the "Blame Bush" battle cry fades away?

    I have no problem saddling Bush with a large part of the financial mess we're in (not the entire mess, however) but Obama's pledge to get us out of that mess hasn't worked. He's failed.
    That's my main peeve on all that is Politics. Yes, I'm guilty of bashing Bush to no end. I'm a man and I admit that. The peeve is the fact this whole mess happened over years and the other side is not even giving any time (3.5 years is not enough) to try to fix things. This situation is definitely not an over-night fix (and this is probably a symptom of the damn instant gratification attitude of our society today). It takes time for policies and all to take hold and do their function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskers57 View Post
    That's my main peeve on all that is Politics. Yes, I'm guilty of bashing Bush to no end. I'm a man and I admit that. The peeve is the fact this whole mess happened over years and the other side is not even giving any time (3.5 years is not enough) to try to fix things. This situation is definitely not an over-night fix (and this is probably a symptom of the damn instant gratification attitude of our society today). It takes time for policies and all to take hold and do their function.
    That's just it...there are no policies. Shoot, there isn't even a budget. Instead of tackling this mess head on, he decided it would be wiser to institute a universal healthcare plan...a plan that a majority of people didn't/don't want.

    Had he come in and got the ball rolling on fixing the issues, I could see a valid argument that more time is needed for him.
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    even if we had a budget, do you HONESTLY think we'd stick/adhere to it? Nope, especially with the politicans we have in DC these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskers57 View Post
    even if we had a budget, do you HONESTLY think we'd stick/adhere to it? Nope, especially with the politicans we have in DC these days.
    Can't argue against that at all.

    Sounds like you should join the Tea Party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redmachine View Post
    In the end, does it matter that it's Bush's fault? Obama has failed in his term to fix anything and could have possibly made things worse.

    Time to give the next guy a try.
    Unless we are in a depression, things didn't get worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmachine View Post
    That's just it...there are no policies. Shoot, there isn't even a budget. Instead of tackling this mess head on, he decided it would be wiser to institute a universal healthcare plan...a plan that a majority of people didn't/don't want.

    Had he come in and got the ball rolling on fixing the issues, I could see a valid argument that more time is needed for him.
    Exactly! And also, lets not forget that he PROMISED to have it fixed by the end of his first term. I guess 57 and others tend to conveniently forget that. If "3.5 years is not enough", then Obama was too dumb to realize that, during the 08 campaign when he promised to fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmachine View Post
    As asked earlier in this thread, when does Obama have to start claiming responsibility for his actions, or more importantly, his inactions? Does he get a free pass for the last 4 years in office?

    How long until the "Blame Bush" battle cry fades away?

    I have no problem saddling Bush with a large part of the financial mess we're in (not the entire mess, however) but Obama's pledge to get us out of that mess hasn't worked. He's failed.
    Pubs blamed Clinton right up until 2009 for a wide range of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPhoenix View Post
    Unless we are in a depression, things didn't get worse.
    Yet. If that healthcare thingy is allowed to continue...uh oh!
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