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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluto View Post
    Don't shoot me...I'm just the messenger. Several good reasons, though.


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304743704577382292376194220.html?m od=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read
    this stupid thread should be banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by statman29 View Post
    No, but any politician that comes up with a bill to ban should be banned from being a politician.

    I could see it now Liberals want to change rules, like making it non-contact flag football and no score would be kept because it would be demoralizing to a young man to lose.
    liberals wouldnt want rules, the radical right want their rules in place.

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    The article contains a pretty weak set of arguments. The biggest problem with CFB isn't that it takes away from academics. The problem is the fact that players generate millions of dollars and don't receive equitable compensation, even though they can be harmed by the game.

    Example: How much did Dennard's run-in with the law cost him in the draft? Could his aggressive behavior have been a result of injuries? Possibly. Aggression and agitation are side effects of concussions. Of course, I don't know if injuries were really to blame for Dennard's behavior at all. But no one is even asking the question, and that's the problem. Dennard just takes the financial hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluto View Post
    Don't shoot me...I'm just the messenger. Several good reasons, though.


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304743704577382292376194220.html?m od=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read
    Lost interest after the first couple paragraphs. Just some idiot intellectual trying to sound intellectual.

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    No, but Division 1 (FBS) should be trimmed to about 75 or 80 teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBlack&Blue View Post
    Penn.

    Wrote Friday Night Lights, so he's got a football pedigree.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._G._Bissinger
    Not quite as bad... no one ever confused Penn with The Monsters of Midway... U of C had that moniker before the Bears... where do you think they got the nickname and the Orange C? After WW-II; UNL hired a Nebraskan from U of C to be the UNL Chancellor - ... and the belief was he wanted to run football into the ground... and we had nearly 20 dreary years until we hired the Bobfather...

    Hey, U of C brought back football... albeit at D-III level...

    Fordham, St. Mary's (of Calif) and U of Chicago were once the top FB programs in America... Only one out of three rolls off the tongue....

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    should only be banned if they try to make it into NFL lite....damnit! to late


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    Quote Originally Posted by huskerator 5000 View Post
    The problem is the fact that players generate millions of dollars and don't receive equitable compensation, even though they can be harmed by the game.
    Do interns work at investment banking houses making virtually nil while their efforts benefit brokers making big dollars?
    Do para-legals do the work of lawyers, get compensate a fraction of what lawyers make and their work benefits the lawyers and law firms they work for?
    Do medical students work as residents and interns making virtually nothing in terms of compensation, performing tasks that benefit the doctors and medical institutions they work for?

    Each is an example that correlates to a college football player. The athletes shouldn't be compensated by the university any more than they already are (free school, room and board ...). The athletes' issue should be with the NFL. If the NFL didn't restrict entry into their market place then those kids who did not want to choose college AND could make the immediate jump to the NFL could bypass their "internship" and immediate make the jump into the professional world. I suspect that would be less than 0.1% of the kids going to college in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wcbsas View Post
    Do interns work at investment banking houses making virtually nil while their efforts benefit brokers making big dollars?
    Do para-legals do the work of lawyers, get compensate a fraction of what lawyers make and their work benefits the lawyers and law firms they work for?
    Do medical students work as residents and interns making virtually nothing in terms of compensation, performing tasks that benefit the doctors and medical institutions they work for?
    I think the biggest difference is that most college football players do NOT go to the NFL, whereas nearly every intern will go on to be a full-time employee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peder View Post
    I think the biggest difference is that most college football players do NOT go to the NFL, whereas nearly every intern will go on to be a full-time employee.
    I have a hard time with people saying players should be compensated for several reasons:

    1. They are getting compensated, very well, as compared to the normal non-athlete student

    2. People look at the revenues being generated a say players should get a cut. Why? Just because there are dollars out there? In even the best case scenario the monies generated by programs such a Texas, Ohio State, NU and 57% of the other FBS schools are plowed back into the other non-revenue sports at that institution. Title IX would not be possible without the revenues generated from college football! Hundreds of non-athlete students benefit from the athletic program - from being managers, videographers, medical staff, equipment, weight room assistants, tutors, trainers ... Should these people get a cut too?

    3. Lastly it is about choices. If the athlete doesn't like his position and situation (financially) don't play. Colleges are not forcing anyone to play football.
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    I just think that the players should be able to negotiate salaries, not be guaranteed them. The current system expressly disallows this, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peder View Post
    I just think that the players should be able to negotiate salaries, not be guaranteed them. The current system expressly disallows this, however.
    Go to work in some union-ized production plant somewhere - you do not negotiate wages .... that is done for you prior to your employment by someone who may or may not represent your best interests.

    Go to work at a hospital as a medical intern ... you are told what your wages are ... no chance to negotiate.

    Hire on at McDonald's they have a wage scale ... no negotiation there.

    Try getting a Merril Lynch brokerage house intern position. You're lucky if you draw any kind of salary at all.

    Look at the teaching profession. Schools are laying off teachers, downsizing, increasing class sizes yet colleges are pumping out new crops of teachers every day. Any wonder salaries are low?

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    Football players can't have it both ways.

    They are either students who's hobby is football (which means the compensation they are receiving - tuition, room & board - seems reasonable)-or- they are pursuing the profession of football, in which case they are new applicants (interns if you will) who's compensation is typically low and often dictated/controlled by the insitutions that "hire" them.

    Lastly if they want true free market compensation, file a lawsuit against the NFL and get restrictions on early entry removed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wcbsas View Post
    Go to work in some union-ized production plant somewhere - you do not negotiate wages .... that is done for you prior to your employment by someone who may or may not represent your best interests.
    If there were a CFB player's union, that would be a huge step up and I wouldn't be complaining. Unions exist for several reasons, but they're most justified and useful in exactly cases like CFB: when a single monopoly controls the means of production.

    Of the other examples you mentioned (para-legals, investment bank interns, and medical residents) only one to my knowledge is really doing work that bills at a way higher rate than what they're getting paid. That's medical residents. And yeah, I don't get the feeling that system is fair or optimal either (seems close to a Ponzi scheme), although I don't know much about it so I won't take a strong position.

    Quote Originally Posted by wcbsas View Post
    Lastly if they want true free market compensation, file a lawsuit against the NFL and get restrictions on early entry removed!
    That's also a good option. I wonder why the NFL has that rule.

    Quote Originally Posted by wcbsas
    People look at the revenues being generated a say players should get a cut. Why? Just because there are dollars out there?

    A good way to see this is: head coaches in the NFL get $5 mil a year or so, just like top coaches in college. Whereas the top NFL players get about 100 times more than what a college player gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by statman29 View Post
    No, but any politician that comes up with a bill to ban should be banned from being a politician.

    I could see it now Liberals want to change rules, like making it non-contact flag football and no score would be kept because it would be demoralizing to a young man to lose.
    and as we all know and why it bothers the pubs is...Those demoralized young men become republican senators that end up tapping their foot in bathroom stalls


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pops View Post
    and as we all know and why it bothers the pubs is...Those demoralized young men become republican senators that end up tapping their foot in bathroom stalls

    Ummmm......Had too much to drink tonight Pops? Can't quite see how this follows the thread.

    BTW, it seeems the elected Democrats have their own share of sexual foibles.
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    Damn, I sure wish I'd never started this thread. The hope for some intelligent discussion has been quashed.

    Sheesh.

    Just some thoughts:

    There are at least 770 homeless veterans in Nebraska. (source: http://www.longmarchhome.org/homelessness_map.html)

    Yet, $181 million can be found for a basketball court (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacle_Bank_Arena)

    Somehow, the "99%" that wish to vilify "the wealthy" seem to overlook that the Fatcats that are college football head-coaches are also the highest paid employees in many states: (source: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...-whos-overpaid ).

    I'm not advocating an "Occupy Football" thing. Far from it! I've just a feeling that some aspects of college athletics may have become a bit out of balance with the rest of the demands upon state budgets.

    What I wasn't expecting was most of the responses on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluto View Post
    Damn, I sure wish I'd never started this thread. The hope for some intelligent discussion has been quashed.
    Not exactly sure why you made this statement. I thought there were posts (including mine) that were relevant and appropriate (maybe not intelligent, but hen again that may be asking a lot :-)). The last 3 posts have gotten off track and belong in a Cafe thread but until then I enjoyed and thread.
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    Thanks, wcbsas (dang, that's hard to say).

    I guess the old advice of "don't let the bastads get you down" probably applies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hskrncibolo View Post
    liberals wouldnt want rules, the radical right want their rules in place.
    Liberals never advocate freedom they believe they know what is best for everyone, they want to legislate everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pops View Post
    and as we all know and why it bothers the pubs is...Those demoralized young men become republican senators that end up tapping their foot in bathroom stalls
    Pops you should love those new rules with no score being kept, no competition.. everyone gets a participation trophy no one is better than anyone else. everything that a socialist loves!
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