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 Originally Posted by ChitownHusker
It's sad when pro-choice people have to rely on such poor arguments. Pro-choice people do have some good ends-justify-the-means arguments at their disposal -- you should probably stick with those.
Vasectomies and hysterectomies are both legal and accomplish the same function. Abortion, unlike those two procedures, does not result in the intentional killing of a human being.
You give me advice my side of the argument and then close with intentional killing of a human being? How about not letting women have any control over their bodies? Is there anymore intrusive legislation than that? Vasectomies and hysterectomies are both legal, as is abortion. If people are hot to legislate against the latter why not the other two?
“There’s not a lot of soft in my world.” - Bo Pelini, future National Championship coach.
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Originally Posted by ChitownHusker
It's sad when pro-choice people have to rely on such poor arguments. Pro-choice people do have some good ends-justify-the-means arguments at their disposal -- you should probably stick with those.
Vasectomies and hysterectomies are both legal and accomplish the same function. Abortion, unlike those two procedures, does not result in the intentional killing of a human being.
Yes!!
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)
“Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you.” -- (Benjamin Franklin)
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what about all those slaughtering of cattle, whales, etc etc? where's the outcry from the pro-life crowd regarding these incidents? murder is murder.
Originally Posted by CombatTargeteer
I trust 57
Originally Posted by HuskerWeatherman
He is the messiah.
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Originally Posted by Nebraska1
You give me advice my side of the argument and then close with intentional killing of a human being? How about not letting women have any control over their bodies? Is there anymore intrusive legislation than that? Vasectomies and hysterectomies are both legal, as is abortion. If people are hot to legislate against the latter why not the other two?
How can you say women have no control over their bodies???? They decided to have sex, no?
Are you aware of any reports of miraculous conception?? I'd say they have more control over their bodies, and what they do with it, without having to choose to kill.
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)
“Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you.” -- (Benjamin Franklin)
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Originally Posted by redmachine
How can you say women have no control over their bodies???? They decided to have sex, no?
Are you aware of any reports of miraculous conception?? I'd say they have more control over their bodies, and what they do with it, without having to choose to kill.
Ever heard of the Virgin Mary???? and a guy by the name of Jesus?
Originally Posted by CombatTargeteer
I trust 57
Originally Posted by HuskerWeatherman
He is the messiah.
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Originally Posted by Huskers57
Ever heard of the Virgin Mary???? and a guy by the name of Jesus?
And she still had the baby...
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)
“Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you.” -- (Benjamin Franklin)
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Originally Posted by redmachine
And she still had the baby...
good for her....what might be best for her might not be best for other women...it's all up to their individual situation, circumstances.
Originally Posted by CombatTargeteer
I trust 57
Originally Posted by HuskerWeatherman
He is the messiah.
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Originally Posted by Huskers57
good for her....what might be best for her might not be best for other women...it's all up to their individual situation, circumstances.
So it boils down to an inconvenience? A life? How inconvenient for that unborn child.
Oh, and I have no belief, whatsoever, in the Virgin Mary.
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)
“Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you.” -- (Benjamin Franklin)
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Originally Posted by redmachine
Oh, and I have no belief, whatsoever, in the Virgin Mary.
I am sure she was a virgin at some point.
"Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out."-George Carlin
"It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled".-Mark Twain
  
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Originally Posted by ColoREDo
I am sure she was a virgin at some point.
LOL
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)
“Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you.” -- (Benjamin Franklin)
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Originally Posted by redmachine
How can you say women have no control over their bodies???? They decided to have sex, no?
Are you aware of any reports of miraculous conception?? I'd say they have more control over their bodies, and what they do with it, without having to choose to kill.
So men can have all the sex they want but women have to be the one's responsible? Being male that sounds like a good deal but does the majority female population concur? Rubbers break, pills don't work 2% of the time, pullouts are poorly timed. Do we just say it's God's will and make them have the baby? Shame them for being harlots and tell them this is the price they pay for their wantonness?
I will say, being a loyal democrat, I am loving this republican tactic to woo the female vote.
“There’s not a lot of soft in my world.” - Bo Pelini, future National Championship coach.
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Originally Posted by Nebraska1
So men can have all the sex they want but women have to be the one's responsible? Being male that sounds like a good deal but does the majority female population concur? Rubbers break, pills don't work 2% of the time, pullouts are poorly timed. Do we just say it's God's will and make them have the baby? Shame them for being harlots and tell them this is the price they pay for their wantonness?
I will say, being a loyal democrat, I am loving this republican tactic to woo the female vote.
Well, men can't have all the sex they want if there aren't any women to have it with.
However, if one feels they are grown-up enough to engage in sex, then they should be old enough to take on the responsibility that could be a result of their actions. Personal responsibility isn't really a bad thing.
I seriously doubt the Democrats will garner any new women to their wonderful cause. I'd say everyone's minds are pretty much made up on this topic.
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)
“Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you.” -- (Benjamin Franklin)
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Originally Posted by redmachine
That is the crux of the matter: Seeing life unborn vs. a mere part of a woman's body.
Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land
I am personaly against abortion.
In response to your post, for women who demand complete control of their body, nice job of responsibly controlling their own body when they end up with an unwanted pregnancy.
Kind of like a medical mulligan involving life.
In Roe v Wade the Supreme Court judges based the decision on drawing a line between being human and being a person, a fetus is a human, but not a person and only a person is afforded protection under the 14th Amendment. Go figure...
I find that to be a very compelling point RM, we only provide constitutional protection to persons, how sad is that?
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." Ayn Rand
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Originally Posted by Huskers57
what about all those slaughtering of cattle, whales, etc etc? where's the outcry from the pro-life crowd regarding these incidents? murder is murder.
STOP HELPING!
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Originally Posted by Nebraska1
So men can have all the sex they want but women have to be the one's responsible? Being male that sounds like a good deal but does the majority female population concur? Rubbers break, pills don't work 2% of the time, pullouts are poorly timed. Do we just say it's God's will and make them have the baby? Shame them for being harlots and tell them this is the price they pay for their wantonness?
I will say, being a loyal democrat, I am loving this republican tactic to woo the female vote.
I don't know, it looks like there are plenty of women who tend to woo themselves over.
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." Ayn Rand
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Originally Posted by Nebraska1
You give me advice my side of the argument and then close with intentional killing of a human being? How about not letting women have any control over their bodies? Is there anymore intrusive legislation than that? Vasectomies and hysterectomies are both legal, as is abortion. If people are hot to legislate against the latter why not the other two?
Read this again
Originally Posted by ChitownHusker
It's sad when pro-choice people have to rely on such poor arguments. Pro-choice people do have some good ends-justify-the-means arguments at their disposal -- you should probably stick with those.
Vasectomies and hysterectomies are both legal and accomplish the same function. Abortion, unlike those two procedures, does not result in the intentional killing of a human being.
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." Ayn Rand
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Originally Posted by SealBeachHusker
Of course you do, I'm right.
(Doing my best RP impersonation)
Lacks a little arrogance and condescension, but otherwise a spot on impersonation!
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Originally Posted by Red_in_Blue_Land
Read this again
I agree with Chi, abortion does not result in the intentional killing of a human being.
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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix
I agree with Chi, abortion does not result in the intentional killing of a human being.
 
"The distinctive mark of the Christian, today more than ever, must be love for the poor, the weak, the suffering." Pope John Paul II
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I've made the choice to not intentionally kill any human beings today. 
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