This article should get things rolling this morning in the Cafe

[Squatchsker]

I've made the choice to not intentionally kill any human beings today.

so what you are saying is that you are out of viagra?

[SealBeachHusker]

That is the crux of the matter: Seeing life unborn vs. a mere part of a woman's body.

I am personaly against abortion.
In response to your post, for women who demand complete control of their body, nice job of responsibly controlling their own body when they end up with an unwanted pregnancy.
Kind of like a medical mulligan involving life.

In Roe v Wade the Supreme Court judges based the decision on drawing a line between being human and being a person, a fetus is a human, but not a person and only a person is afforded protection under the 14th Amendment. Go figure...

I find that to be a very compelling point RM, we only provide constitutional protection to persons, how sad is that?

I think the point is the arbitrary decision that a life is not a person.

[ThotDoc]

I think the point is the arbitrary decision that a life is not a person.

It's similar to other animal life. A chimp s not a person either, but if we started killing chimps there would be a huge uproar.

[RedPhoenix]

It's similar to other animal life. A chimp s not a person either, but if we started killing chimps there would be a huge uproar.

Chickens and cows aren't persons and we kill AND eat them, and there isn't much of an uproar about it.

[ColoREDo]

It's similar to other animal life. A chimp s not a person either, but if we started killing chimps there would be a huge uproar.

Personally, killing those cute ones that swing around on ropes and such would be cruel. Killing the ones that are microscopic potential chimps really wouldn't bother me much.

[ColoREDo]

Chickens and cows aren't persons and we kill AND eat them, and there isn't much of an uproar about it.

There is more of an uproar about people who WON'T Eat them. LOL.

[RedPhoenix]

It's similar to other animal life. A chimp s not a person either, but if we started killing chimps there would be a huge uproar.

Next time you have scrambled eggs, stop and say a little prayer.....

[ThotDoc]

Time to call PETA.

[RedPhoenix]

Time to call PETA.

He can't help you, he's in love with Katness.....

[Squatchsker]

He can't help you, he's in love with Katness.....

He will throw a sack of flour on you....

[Pops]

Well, men can't have all the sex they want if there aren't any women to have it with.

However, if one feels they are grown-up enough to engage in sex, then they should be old enough to take on the responsibility that could be a result of their actions. Personal responsibility isn't really a bad thing.

I seriously doubt the Democrats will garner any new women to their wonderful cause. I'd say everyone's minds are pretty much made up on this topic.

wanna think that statement again...its called rape

[Nebraska1]

Well, men can't have all the sex they want if there aren't any women to have it with.

I knew it! It's all those womens' fault looking all sexy and smelling good. No wonder they need to be controlled/punished for being the way they are!

Personal opinion here. Religion seem to have a big woody (for want of a better term) regarding women. I'm Catholic and women are not allowed to be priests, or use any type of contraception. Sex of any kind is forbidden outside of marriage. The more fundamentalist the belief the more anti-women it appears ending in the fundamentalist Muslim religions that demands burkas, no education, complete subserviance, genital mutilation, etc.

Maybe it's not a republican war on women but a religious war on women. It's just that more religious types tend to be republican.

[ThotDoc]

Woman's choice or not, I don't believe Planned Parenthood really helps women think through the consequences of their decision. Many, many times, I have dealt with the emotional impact of post-abortion distress on women and also seen the significant consequences on relationships often many years later.

[Nebraska1]

Woman's choice or not, I don't believe Planned Parenthood really helps women think through the consequences of their decision. Many, many times, I have dealt with the emotional impact of post-abortion distress on women and also seen the significant consequences on relationships often many years later.

Studies indicate that women who have adverse psychological effects following abortions tend to be those:

who have limited or no family partner support.
who have psychological problems before the pregnancy.
who feel coerced to have an abortion.
who have an abortion in the 2nd trimester of pregnancy.
whose own religious beliefs or those of their of their social environment are disapproving of abortion.
live in a cultural context or have a religion that prohibits abortion.
terminate a wanted pregnancy due to fetal abnormalities or genetic reasons.

Studies cited by planned parenthood indicate the large majority of women do not have major psychological issues following abortions. And before anyone negates this due to it being planned parenthood, note that these are studies cited by the organization not studies done for or paid for by planned parenthood.

[ThotDoc]

There are studies NOT cited by Planned Parenthood (surprise surprise) that do reflect significant distress by women who abort. And of those you noted above that do have problems, many in the first couple categories have abortions because they do not have family support or they feel coerced. Thus,the very reasons that may lead them to abort may cause them significant difficulty later.

[SealBeachHusker]

Well, men can't have all the sex they want if there aren't any women to have it with.

I knew it! It's all those womens' fault looking all sexy and smelling good. No wonder they need to be controlled/punished for being the way they are!

Personal opinion here. Religion seem to have a big woody (for want of a better term) regarding women. I'm Catholic and women are not allowed to be priests, or use any type of contraception. Sex of any kind is forbidden outside of marriage. The more fundamentalist the belief the more anti-women it appears ending in the fundamentalist Muslim religions that demands burkas, no education, complete subserviance, genital mutilation, etc.

Maybe it's not a republican war on women but a religious war on women. It's just that more religious types tend to be republican.

Well before oral contraception there was only the condom...and the rule was the same. So, there's one to check off the list of hysterics. And, you might disagree with the position of Church's view on the sanctity of life, but it's far from an attack on women. This same respect for life is the basis for the Church's opposition to the death penalty.






And, ignore the fact that female religious were acting as CEO's of hospitals, orphanages, and other non-profits well before the rest of the country even considered it an option.

[Red_in_Blue_Land]

I think the point is the arbitrary decision that a life is not a person.

Not quite so simple as that, it is the making of an arbitrary point of where a life becomes a person.

[Red_in_Blue_Land]

so what you are saying is that you are out of viagra?

A swing and a miss

[Red_in_Blue_Land]

Studies indicate that women who have adverse psychological effects following abortions tend to be those:

who have limited or no family partner support.
who have psychological problems before the pregnancy.
who feel coerced to have an abortion.
who have an abortion in the 2nd trimester of pregnancy.
whose own religious beliefs or those of their of their social environment are disapproving of abortion.
live in a cultural context or have a religion that prohibits abortion.
terminate a wanted pregnancy due to fetal abnormalities or genetic reasons.

Studies cited by planned parenthood indicate the large majority of women do not have major psychological issues following abortions. And before anyone negates this due to it being planned parenthood, note that these are studies cited by the organization not studies done for or paid for by planned parenthood.

Worthy to note:
You are citing a planned parenthood study, when I go and do a google search, I can find as many pro-life studies as I can pro-choice studies that have a completely opposite stances and cite statistics that show it to be or not to be a problem.

[Red_in_Blue_Land]

Worthy to note:
You are citing a planned parenthood study, when I go and do a google search, I can find as many pro-life studies as I can pro-choice studies that have a completely opposite stances and cite statistics that show it to be or not to be a problem.

There are studies NOT cited by Planned Parenthood (surprise surprise) that do reflect significant distress by women who abort. And of those you noted above that do have problems, many in the first couple categories have abortions because they do not have family support or they feel coerced. Thus,the very reasons that may lead them to abort may cause them significant difficulty later.

Sorry TD, just saw your post, you got it before me.